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Our First And Third Congress Defined Natural Born Citizen
Nationality Act of 1790-1795 ^ | January 8th, 2016 | Uncle Sham

Posted on 01/08/2016 6:52:06 PM PST by Uncle Sham

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To: dschapin

I am selfish. I want Cruz to be Trumps VP. But my points stand as stated.


81 posted on 01/08/2016 8:03:56 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: Hostage

You say there are only two categories, natural and naturalized. The Constitution requires a natural born citizenship. Isn’t this a third? If not, why not and if not, why hasn’t the requirement been changed?


82 posted on 01/08/2016 8:06:00 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: PJBankard

Even so, Mary Ann Trump was Naturalized four years before Trump was born. My wife was naturalized four months before my son was born. To the extreme you have to trace everyone to before the constitution or that the are Native American to be Eligible. My mother’s side would qualify, but by grandfather came from Germany at age 14. And my grandmothers folks came from Germany as teenagers as well.


83 posted on 01/08/2016 8:09:44 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Trump supporters desperation to find anything on Ted Cruz to bring him down.

Its no accident inspite of their denials that since Ted Cruz is on the rise in polls and looks like he is going to win in Iowa that they have been attacking Ted Cruz.

Wasnt Trump suppose to be inevdible ? A sure win ?

Why are they panicking ?


84 posted on 01/08/2016 8:10:38 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (Trump is the pawn and creation of the Media and Political Establishment)
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To: UCANSEE2

Yes..thanks. In earlier threads today, it was mentioned that he sealed some of his records, apparently not these. As a Constitutional scholar, he insists that he is NBC when he was born in Canada to a one citizen parent..I watched an interview today that was given on his campaign bus. He reiterated that he was a “citizen”, and therefore qualified...a “non-issue” he called it. In my humble opinion, if it was a “non-issue”, we would not be having these discussions...and if he was a leader, he would demand a legal opinion from SCOTUS..posthaste.


85 posted on 01/08/2016 8:12:24 PM PST by AFret.
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To: JT Hatter

Senate Majority Leader.


86 posted on 01/08/2016 8:13:47 PM PST by ASA Vet (98C40K3)
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To: American Constitutionalist

I am a Trump supporter, and I am not panicked. Trump only cautioned about folks like Loon Grayson. Lets get this over with.


87 posted on 01/08/2016 8:14:14 PM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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To: BigEdLB

I don’t think we have to trace back too far. While I like Cruz, I’m looking down the road. The founders specifically did not want foreigners having influence on the presidency. If we continue down this path, what is stopping a foreigner from having a child with an US citizen just to manipulate the presidency. I know Cruz wouldn’t do this, but Obama and Cruz would be setting a precedence that would destroy what is left of this country regardless of what we do.


88 posted on 01/08/2016 8:16:35 PM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"He is trying to manipulate the clear sense of Congress"

Please tell me what that clear sense was because all I see is that they changed the results from a set of circumstances that would appear to match. This change involved the use of the term natural born citizen, then changed it to citizen 5 years later. Why did this happen? Are we to use both terms for the same set of circumstances? Why didn't they list both in the 1795 version if this is the case?

89 posted on 01/08/2016 8:20:23 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: freedomjusticeruleoflaw
Most Freepers knew that back in 2007 & 2008. Many seem to have forgotten now that their favorite is affected.
90 posted on 01/08/2016 8:24:57 PM PST by ASA Vet (98C40K3)
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To: ASA Vet

It seems that there are some that think we should stoop to what the Dems/Obama did instead of following the rule of law.


91 posted on 01/08/2016 8:27:05 PM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: Uncle Sham

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>> “Why did this happen?” <<

Because the term “natural born” injected a vagueness that might be manipulated in the manner that you employ.

They wanted the terms to be “Citizen,” and “Naturalized Citizen” to eliminate the confusion.

Cruz is a citizen, but not a naturalized citizen.
Capiche?


92 posted on 01/08/2016 8:29:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Fiji Hill
Donald John Trump

Born June 14, 1946 in Queens, New York, NY (Jus Soli)

Parents were
Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905 in Queens, NY, died June 1999 in Queens, NY
Mary Ann MacLeod, born May 10, 1912 in SCOTLAND, died August 7, 2000 in Queens, NY. Arrived in US October 5, 1935. Naturalized as a US Citizen March 10, 1942.

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Jus Sanguinis)

Donald Trump was born in the US to two US Citizen parents so is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

93 posted on 01/08/2016 8:30:14 PM PST by ASA Vet (98C40K3)
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To: PJBankard
OOPS. I apologize for criticizing your comment. I have been reading these long CRUZ-TRUMP threads all day long and when I read your comment, I would have sworn it said CRUZ's father....

Now that I corrected that, I can add to your statement by saying that your comment "Where his mother is from is irrelevant." may be a key to the whole CRUZ NBC issue.

Everyone is saying because his mother was a US citizen that Ted was too.

The information I found says that it is the father's nationality that counts, not the mothers.

Whether that is going to be proven true, is hard to say. There is so much controversy, and there's a lot more BS floating around than FACT.

Here is that info:

"citizenship shall not descend to persons whose 'fathers' have never been resident in the United States"

Before the 19th Amendment, women had no right to vote. Only citizens could vote. Women were considered to carry the status of their husbands and were under the authority of their husbands.

Regardless of a woman's origins and birthright, she was categorized according to her husband's status. Whether she was German, Mohican, French, Iroquois, or born of American colonists, her citizenship status mattered not to the birth of her children. It was the FATHER who determined the birthright.

If a woman was not born of a citizen father, she was in effect 'naturalized' by marriage to a citizen American as long as the marriage was considered legitimate.

Therefore, the only criterion of consequence was a child born to an American citizen father inside a marriage considered as legitimate.

94 posted on 01/08/2016 8:34:25 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2

I think one of the Naturalization Laws of the early 20th Century changed it so that citizenship could be passed through the mother. That still doesn’t negate the fact that he wasn’t born within the jurisdication of the US (Canada) and became a US citizen by statute not by the Constitution.


95 posted on 01/08/2016 8:39:42 PM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: AFret.

Despite all the bickering, I hope we get this settled(Cruz gets this settled) and it then becomes a non-issue.

I think Ted is a full blown AMERICAN and so is TRUMP. Many posters seem to think that anyone who questions TED’s NBC status is a devious CRUZ HATER. They don’t get it that people here , even if they support TRUMP, want CRUZ to settle this so he and TRUMP can duel it out. I’d hate for us to just stick our heads in the sand and ignore the CRUZ ISSUE only to have the DEMS pull it right before the election, not giving CRUZ time to correctly inform the populace.

I also find it hypocritical that those convinced that it’s a NON ISSUE for CRUZ, so emotionally and angrily ARGUE that very ISSUE. Just like you said.


96 posted on 01/08/2016 8:45:57 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

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The rule of law at that time was “Partus Sequitur Patrem”.


97 posted on 01/08/2016 8:47:21 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: editor-surveyor
"They wanted the terms to be "Citizen," and "naturalized Citizen" to eliminate the confusion."

Why then, wasn't the term natural born citizen removed from the eligibility requirements in the Constitution? If they wanted to eliminate confusion wouldn't this have been necessary? Isn't it more sensible to assume that they were correcting an error as it pertains to the description given, especially in light of the fact that the entire reason for the natural born requirement was to eliminate the possibility of someone having dual allegiance become President?

98 posted on 01/08/2016 8:56:08 PM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: Uncle Sham
Anyone compare 1790, 1795 and 1802, with citizens parents...  photo image_zpsgskvqonk.png
99 posted on 01/08/2016 9:03:53 PM PST by bushpilot2
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To: Uncle Sham
There are only two kinds of Citizen.

Citizen at the time of birth (Natural Born) and Naturalized Citizen.

Which one is Cruz?

100 posted on 01/08/2016 9:07:23 PM PST by P-Marlowe (Tagline pending.)
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