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To: Uncle Sham

“Natural born citizen” simply means that someone who falls within the specified criteria is a citizen at birth (meaning that person doe not have to go through a naturalization process).

Under U.S. law, a person is a natural born citizen if he or she is born of a parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of that birth, no matter where the physical birth occurred.

Someone on this thread — and I don’t know of it was you or not, but that is irrelevant — said that to be a natural born citizen BOTH parents had to be U.S. citizens at the birth of that person. That is just wrong. I am a natural born citizen (meaning I was automatically a U.S. citizen at my birth) even though my mother was not a U.S. citizen, and had not lived in the U.S. for five years when I was born. But, my father was a U.S. citizen, as were his parents, and his grandparents (even though two of his grandfathers fought for the Confederacy).


25 posted on 01/09/2016 8:58:48 AM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

Would you please address the issues I raised in my last reply to you?


26 posted on 01/09/2016 9:10:33 AM PST by Uncle Sham
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To: ought-six
Does anyone really believe the founders would consider an "anchor baby" with Chinese parents a natural born citizen that would be eligible to serve as POTUS? What about the children of all the trophy wives living in the middle east or Russia are those all natural born citizens and also eligible to serve as POTUS?

Some adult female gets infatuated with say an ISIS fighter and goes to Syria, gets knocked up and has a child. That child lives with his dad until he is an adult then the child comes to the USA and that child is a NBC and can run for president? This scenario is exactly why the founders put the NBC clause into the Constitution. Void it and you or your children will regret it.

27 posted on 01/09/2016 9:20:24 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ought-six; Uncle Sham
Natural born citizen" simply means that someone who falls within the specified criteria is a citizen at birth"

Not true.

Natural Law is different than government law. Natural Law was referenced in the very first sentence of our founding document.

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

I say again natural law supersedes government law and natural law is what gave us the right to be our own nation. Government law said the founders were traitors, natural law said they were patriots. Government law says two men can get married Natural Law says marriage is between a man and a woman. Only a Natural (law) Born Citizen may constitutionally serve a President of the United States.

There are three types of citizenship
* Natural Born Citizen, two citizen parents born on soil (exceptions for foreign born if parents are abroad in service to country)
* Citizen by birth, foreign born to citizen parent(s)
* Naturalized citizen, a person made a citizen by statute.

I note on the following

The authors cite to the Naturalization Act of 1790 and ignore the fact that the Naturalization Act of 1795, with the lead of then-Rep. James Madison and with the approval of President George Washington, repealed it and specifically changed "shall be considered as natural born citizens" to "shall be considered as citizens of the United States."

James Madison the "father of the Constitution" changed the wording from "natural born citizen" to "citizen". Madison was no dope and the change was to prevent a foreign born from becoming Commander in Chief. But this also serves to illustrate that "citizen at birth" does not mean "natural born citizen".

See more at
https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/tag/harvard-law-review/

A natural born citizen is so because of Natural Law not government laws. Some one born on soil with two citizen parents is a natural born citizen because no other sovereign but the sovereign of the soil he was born on has any claim to his elegance.

28 posted on 01/09/2016 9:23:53 AM PST by jpsb
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To: ought-six

Under U.S. law, a person is a natural born citizen if he or she is born of a parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of that birth, no matter where the physical birth occurred.

Humor me for a moment. Go to scribd.com. “Citizenship terms” There is an easy to read table, “Citizenship Terms Used in the US Constitution. Terms defined and Legal Reference”.
See if that document agrees with your above statement..Not throwing rocks, just curious..thanks.


48 posted on 01/09/2016 10:34:47 AM PST by AFret.
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To: ought-six
Under U.S. law, a person is a natural born citizen if he or she is born of a parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of that birth, no matter where the physical birth occurred.

There is no legal statute conferring natural born citizenship. There was a short-lived Act from 1790 to 1795 that attempted to confer that status upon children born abroad to citizen parents provided that the father met certain requirements. Beyond that, nothing. It's a requirement for the Presidency under the Constitution. Under statutory law, no such distinction is made.

53 posted on 01/09/2016 10:38:27 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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