Posted on 01/03/2016 9:31:09 AM PST by Lazamataz
In the last day or so, a very dangerous situation has emerged in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, near the town of Burns, Oregon. Ammon Bundy and about a dozen men, armed with firearms, have occupied a closed Federal building on that property. The local Sheriff has backed down, and there are rumors of Special Response Teams staging nearby.
This building is a smallish, very isolated building in the middle of a large National Refuge. Someone posted on a thread under a Guardian news article about this, "I'm in Oregon. These guys took over a headquarters building but it's kinda like an old brick house your grandma would live in and it's at least 50 miles from nowhere. You guys have a good time."
I do not intend to explore the minutia behind the case. That is a matter for courts. I do intend to explore the responses to this that we should take, and those we should not take.
I had a chance to hear a CNN interview with Ammon Bundy. At best, his narrative can only be described as incoherent. The CNN host, remarkably constrained in his questioning, asked what the government could do to unravel this. After a lot of "um's" and "uh's", the best Ammon could come up with was, "The government needs to start following the Constitution." The host wanted a more definitive answer, and Bundy had nothing. Simply put, this guy is the perfect foil for a police-state government move.
We all agree. The Federal government does need to start following the Constitution. This is a fight for the court system, and if there is no relief there -- AND it happens to more than a handful of us -- THEN other more drastic measures can be considered. The key is the universality of violation. The cases of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Bundy Ranch -- while all eregious -- are spread apart by years and have happened to the tiniest percentage of people. The proper response to these actions are judicial in nature. Take these things all the way up to the Supreme Court. These venues NEED to be fully-explored, first.
If, however, this sort of government abuse begins to happen in greater and greater numbers, there comes a time when there is a tipping point. When OTrauma just starts going full-Stalin, we must react, or die on our knees.
I don't think we are there yet, notice how delicately he's treading on his gun control Executive Order tomorrow. It's basically a tiny measure -- purported to be background checks if the seller sells 25 guns a year -- and he had his people research it for months before deciding to proceed.
There comes a time he won't be so careful or delicate. That's when we know the balloon went up. Either that, or if we ever awake to find that the electric or communications grid is down. Those are proper signs that something srastic must be undertaken.
If the Feds undertake an attacking action, and lose anyone, this will be the chance for OTrauma to actually impose some Stalinist directives. Anything from a declaration of a National Emergency to martial law could be reasonably taken, and the masses of people would go right along with it. See, the masses of people need to feel the boot before they will join. There must be more support by the general population before we can move. There are also several ways to conduct ourselves. One is more direct action, but another seems to be effective as well. Look at Czechoslovakia for how a successful 'velvet revolution' can occur, or how the 'Arab Spring' caused (admittedly harmful, in this instance) change. Anything where we are the vast minority, and a Fed-supportive populace is the vast majority, is simply a death sentence for more of our liberties, and perhaps even a death sentence for we who believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
This particular set of actions by Ammon Bundy are just unwise. One actually wonders if he wasn't emboldened or encouraged to act recklessly by agents of the administration, embedded in his group.
I call upon Ammon Bundy to stand down, and work the court system -- all the way up to SCOTUS -- at this time. I plead for all patriotic-minded individuals to stay away from this situation.
It appears that this action may only be undertaken within 14 days of a sentence, and that is a great basis for this chicanery to be overturned.
The sadpart of armed resistence tot he government thuggery is that the ones who will be bullet dumps are not the ones in need of killin’ ... the federal government land management and wildlife bureau are useless eaters if they don’t lie, steal people’s lands and destroy thriving businesses. THESE are the ones who should be catching bullets, but alas, some poor saps hired to be the muscle will instead be the fodder the thuggery will disdain.
Has Trump ever suggested anything even close to overturning the system?
The nuts move first.
While the rest of us are pontificating about what can & should be done, someone on some side will take action - likely something stupid, which the rest of us will have to suffer the repercussions of.
However, how can a judge order someone back to prison after they have been released?
How is that legal?
It isn’t.
But, let’s not question our government overlords lest they get their pet media to make us all look like nutcases...
action through the court system is no longer effective ... just look at recent decisions ... imho
unwise for them, perhaps, but if these things are not firmly resisted, even if hopelessly, we will not hear of them and will have no warning when that hammer falls. These things cause the tool users to be more aware and acquire more tools and supplies.
BLM and Forest Service ain’t your friends anymore.
“”Setting fires on land that does not belong to you, especially during a drought, seems like a bad idea in principle.””
Especially when one of them was to cover up a crime you committed.
Good advice.
GREAT pic.
We don’t even know that for sure, we have to wait for all the facts.
I’ve heard the speculation too. I’m simply hoping this doesn’t escalate to very crazy levels.
While I can’t find fault with most of your thoughts, I feel I should point out (IMO) Waco & Ruby Ridge were well beyond egregious. And neither was properly addressed politically or legally.
Waco should have been and was not a turning point in the march towards a police state. It’s now far enough back that most of the current population simply don’t care. It’s not real.
I truly believe that by the time sufficient numbers realize the boot is on their collective necks, it will be far too late to stop. Live as slaves or die as free men.
I agree with you. This is volatile attention mongering in a situation where the federal case is weaker than usual. If Leviathan was manufacturing a false flag incident, they couldn’t have done much better.
This is not the place, the time, or the incident. This is not a hill to die on.
It’s apparently of the Hammond’s property in Oregon. They made the cutouts and “planted” them on their land.
Maybe the fact that they were arrested, tried, found guilty, sentenced and then served out their time has something to do with it.
A while after they are legally released the Feds come along and “Oh, no, you need to serve more time”???????
No never try to take on the Federal Govt unless you have the moral high ground and the support of the local community.
This case needs to work its way through the court system.
Aamon Bundy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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