Posted on 01/03/2016 9:31:09 AM PST by Lazamataz
In the last day or so, a very dangerous situation has emerged in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, near the town of Burns, Oregon. Ammon Bundy and about a dozen men, armed with firearms, have occupied a closed Federal building on that property. The local Sheriff has backed down, and there are rumors of Special Response Teams staging nearby.
This building is a smallish, very isolated building in the middle of a large National Refuge. Someone posted on a thread under a Guardian news article about this, "I'm in Oregon. These guys took over a headquarters building but it's kinda like an old brick house your grandma would live in and it's at least 50 miles from nowhere. You guys have a good time."
I do not intend to explore the minutia behind the case. That is a matter for courts. I do intend to explore the responses to this that we should take, and those we should not take.
I had a chance to hear a CNN interview with Ammon Bundy. At best, his narrative can only be described as incoherent. The CNN host, remarkably constrained in his questioning, asked what the government could do to unravel this. After a lot of "um's" and "uh's", the best Ammon could come up with was, "The government needs to start following the Constitution." The host wanted a more definitive answer, and Bundy had nothing. Simply put, this guy is the perfect foil for a police-state government move.
We all agree. The Federal government does need to start following the Constitution. This is a fight for the court system, and if there is no relief there -- AND it happens to more than a handful of us -- THEN other more drastic measures can be considered. The key is the universality of violation. The cases of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Bundy Ranch -- while all eregious -- are spread apart by years and have happened to the tiniest percentage of people. The proper response to these actions are judicial in nature. Take these things all the way up to the Supreme Court. These venues NEED to be fully-explored, first.
If, however, this sort of government abuse begins to happen in greater and greater numbers, there comes a time when there is a tipping point. When OTrauma just starts going full-Stalin, we must react, or die on our knees.
I don't think we are there yet, notice how delicately he's treading on his gun control Executive Order tomorrow. It's basically a tiny measure -- purported to be background checks if the seller sells 25 guns a year -- and he had his people research it for months before deciding to proceed.
There comes a time he won't be so careful or delicate. That's when we know the balloon went up. Either that, or if we ever awake to find that the electric or communications grid is down. Those are proper signs that something srastic must be undertaken.
If the Feds undertake an attacking action, and lose anyone, this will be the chance for OTrauma to actually impose some Stalinist directives. Anything from a declaration of a National Emergency to martial law could be reasonably taken, and the masses of people would go right along with it. See, the masses of people need to feel the boot before they will join. There must be more support by the general population before we can move. There are also several ways to conduct ourselves. One is more direct action, but another seems to be effective as well. Look at Czechoslovakia for how a successful 'velvet revolution' can occur, or how the 'Arab Spring' caused (admittedly harmful, in this instance) change. Anything where we are the vast minority, and a Fed-supportive populace is the vast majority, is simply a death sentence for more of our liberties, and perhaps even a death sentence for we who believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
This particular set of actions by Ammon Bundy are just unwise. One actually wonders if he wasn't emboldened or encouraged to act recklessly by agents of the administration, embedded in his group.
I call upon Ammon Bundy to stand down, and work the court system -- all the way up to SCOTUS -- at this time. I plead for all patriotic-minded individuals to stay away from this situation.
Bears repeating.
Time’s a wastin’, and I agree with Travis’ asessment that the lights could very well go off on election day. Congress just gave Obama a full purse and has capitulated to any executive measures he is willing to take. We are on thin ice.
Setting fires on land that does not belong to you, especially during a drought, seems like a bad idea in principle.
Just ain’t the right one. That’s my gut. I have lots of friends I respect who agree.
If Trump wakes up what is left of Americans maybe. However, if Trump really becomes effective he will be shot like old Huey Long in the 1930’s.(I’m not a supporter of Huey Long. He drove the left crazy other than that fact he was a corrupt old time Southern politician.)
I wonder what Samuel Adams and the original Tea Partyiers would think about this. The BLM and EPA are instituting Agenda 21’s Stack and Pack ideology AT THIS TIME. The Fed and State Governments OWN enormous blocks of each and every state. As far as I can see, this is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, but it is part and parcel of The UN’s Agenda 21 push for “Sustainable living.” New World Order, anyone???????????????
I intend to write an editorial about Trump and the dangers he faces, as well.
I’d like to see Trump succeed in getting into office, and I bet a lot of that would be rolled back.
Is there a legal fund, and/or a group of Pro Bono lawyers set up to take this to SCOTUS?
“This is a fight for the court system,”
It’s already been litigated all the way to SCOTUS. Cert was denied.
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What's so incoherent about "follow the constitution". What part don't you get?
What the reporter was doing, and you clearly fell for it, was putting Bundy on the spot to MAKE HIM APPEAR to be a nut. The reality is this was only a brief interview and the list of grievances and abuses of power would take hours to explain so he had to give the answer in as brief a statement as possible.
Follow the constitution is neither ambiguous or incoherent in any way.
Sir, that is a brilliant suggestion. We need Ammon to stand down, though, or it's all moot.
I look forward to your statements regarding Trump’s dangers.
When asked for exact specifics on how this can be unwound, a general principle is not the correct response. It makes a person look unreasonable. He should have been prepared with a series of bullet points.
Thanks
Really? And just WHO is going to pay the enormous costs of extended litigation in face of imminent actions against Americans by the government? Lawyers, of which there are far too many in America, are the only real winners in any confrontation. Want to cut the crap? Cut the number of lawyers in Washington!
OK but as for me I’m confrontational by nature.
Concord and Lexington,
two distinctly different battles.
Woven together welded the colonies together to utterly defeat the British on there March back to Boston and then became the ‘Call to Arm’s battle cry for the Revolutionary War.
We waited,
we took the Hits.
When We had the case,
We took the Victory.
I understand. I appreciate your agreement that perhaps it is time to hold our fire.
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