Posted on 01/03/2016 9:31:09 AM PST by Lazamataz
In the last day or so, a very dangerous situation has emerged in Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, near the town of Burns, Oregon. Ammon Bundy and about a dozen men, armed with firearms, have occupied a closed Federal building on that property. The local Sheriff has backed down, and there are rumors of Special Response Teams staging nearby.
This building is a smallish, very isolated building in the middle of a large National Refuge. Someone posted on a thread under a Guardian news article about this, "I'm in Oregon. These guys took over a headquarters building but it's kinda like an old brick house your grandma would live in and it's at least 50 miles from nowhere. You guys have a good time."
I do not intend to explore the minutia behind the case. That is a matter for courts. I do intend to explore the responses to this that we should take, and those we should not take.
I had a chance to hear a CNN interview with Ammon Bundy. At best, his narrative can only be described as incoherent. The CNN host, remarkably constrained in his questioning, asked what the government could do to unravel this. After a lot of "um's" and "uh's", the best Ammon could come up with was, "The government needs to start following the Constitution." The host wanted a more definitive answer, and Bundy had nothing. Simply put, this guy is the perfect foil for a police-state government move.
We all agree. The Federal government does need to start following the Constitution. This is a fight for the court system, and if there is no relief there -- AND it happens to more than a handful of us -- THEN other more drastic measures can be considered. The key is the universality of violation. The cases of Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Bundy Ranch -- while all eregious -- are spread apart by years and have happened to the tiniest percentage of people. The proper response to these actions are judicial in nature. Take these things all the way up to the Supreme Court. These venues NEED to be fully-explored, first.
If, however, this sort of government abuse begins to happen in greater and greater numbers, there comes a time when there is a tipping point. When OTrauma just starts going full-Stalin, we must react, or die on our knees.
I don't think we are there yet, notice how delicately he's treading on his gun control Executive Order tomorrow. It's basically a tiny measure -- purported to be background checks if the seller sells 25 guns a year -- and he had his people research it for months before deciding to proceed.
There comes a time he won't be so careful or delicate. That's when we know the balloon went up. Either that, or if we ever awake to find that the electric or communications grid is down. Those are proper signs that something srastic must be undertaken.
If the Feds undertake an attacking action, and lose anyone, this will be the chance for OTrauma to actually impose some Stalinist directives. Anything from a declaration of a National Emergency to martial law could be reasonably taken, and the masses of people would go right along with it. See, the masses of people need to feel the boot before they will join. There must be more support by the general population before we can move. There are also several ways to conduct ourselves. One is more direct action, but another seems to be effective as well. Look at Czechoslovakia for how a successful 'velvet revolution' can occur, or how the 'Arab Spring' caused (admittedly harmful, in this instance) change. Anything where we are the vast minority, and a Fed-supportive populace is the vast majority, is simply a death sentence for more of our liberties, and perhaps even a death sentence for we who believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
This particular set of actions by Ammon Bundy are just unwise. One actually wonders if he wasn't emboldened or encouraged to act recklessly by agents of the administration, embedded in his group.
I call upon Ammon Bundy to stand down, and work the court system -- all the way up to SCOTUS -- at this time. I plead for all patriotic-minded individuals to stay away from this situation.
You have a very valid point. Past time to get rid of some of these alphabet police staters, so let’s start with EPA, BLM, IRS, etc.
All of this yellow counsel on FR today is making me ill.
Too much freedom, not enough bravery ...........
I do agree.
Watch yer knot!
There are more videos on the way from my contact on site.
Why do you think TRUMP is so popular?
Correctly stated. People forget.
Time will come for bravery. This ain’t it.
Too much freedom? Not for long...
There’s a lot less every day and conceding any ground to the Feds on this issue, regardless of the Bundy a-holes stirring the pot, is a net loss for all of us.
The longer sentences were given down because the US Attorney appealed the short sentences based on federal guidelines. Not double jeopardy because they were only tried once.
When casus belli exists, it will be a cause that even the fragmented and special interest of our short attention span society understands universally. Anything less will only lead to greater repression, not reform.
Unfortunately, I cannot shoehorn it in to the Tweet-sized tagline, so I ask your permission to use it elsewhere.
Trump has not convinced anyone that he cares about the Constitution, or even knows what it says. Ted Cruz clearly does know the Constitution and may be the only one who can take the oath of office intelligently.
I admire and trust you, Squantos. If you agree, it steadies me in my opinion. Thank you.
“The Gvt had witnesses, including one of Hammond’s relatives, testify and provide evidence to support it’s case. In a court of law, the Gvt won.”
The govt had -one- disgruntled grandson who was at odds with the family. He was impeached on cross examination as having an ongoing little hissy feud with them, and was not believable by any rational person.
It should also be noted, there were many small skirmishes leading up to the revolution
THANK you for saying it like it is. Excellent post!
I don't have such a staff, yet I would have prepared as I said. Am I really that special? I think not.
Thanks for the kind words and trust Laz ......hope yer well.
Stay Safe !
I KNOW why Trump is so popular. I’m a proud supporter. He’s the ONLY one I see in the lineup who is an AUTHENTIC, RED- WHITE-and-BLUE American, born in America and raised on Patriotic American Ideals, not this “Who we are” crap..
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