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U.S. expects drop in programming jobs, but gains in IT jobs overall
Computerworld ^
| Dec 22, 2015
| Patrick Thibodeau
Posted on 12/22/2015 8:23:35 AM PST by ConservingFreedom
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To: Parmenio; ColdOne; Yossarian; knittnmom; sf4dubya; Mr. Peabody; wally_bert; dowcaet; ...
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posted on
12/22/2015 8:24:45 AM PST
by
ConservingFreedom
(a "guest worker" is a stateless person with no ties to any community, only to his paymaster)
To: ConservingFreedom
Do you want to pay more and code it once or twice or do you want to pay less and code it 10-11 times? In all my years in IT, I never had an offshoring project which finished on time or on schedule.
And every time it had to do with understanding the requirements, because if they don’t understand it, they don’t tell you. They just wait until you ask where the code is and then they tell you.
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posted on
12/22/2015 8:27:24 AM PST
by
EQAndyBuzz
(Jews for Cruz)
To: ConservingFreedom
That’s all you need, more projects and nobody to develop them.
To: ConservingFreedom
Too bad we can’t offshore Congress.
I suspect they already get most of their money from overseas, so it would be no change in the bad performance, just salary savings on our end.
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posted on
12/22/2015 8:33:46 AM PST
by
DannyTN
To: EQAndyBuzz
Very true.
Freepers do not let your babies grown up to be programmers.
Programmers ain't easy to love and they're harder to hold And they'd rather give you a prototype than diamonds or gold Overweight neckbeards and old faded hoodies And each night begins a new day If you don't understand him, an' he don't die young He'll prob'ly just rant away
Freepers, don't let your babies grow up to be programmers Don't let 'em use keyboards or hack on some stuff Let 'em be doctors and lawyers and such Freepers don't let your babies grow up to be programmers Cause they'll never get job and they're always alone because the third world has learned how to code
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posted on
12/22/2015 8:42:53 AM PST
by
datricker
(The war for civilization is on! For Victory Vote Trump)
To: ConservingFreedom
And none of those jobs will go to White American males.
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posted on
12/22/2015 8:52:17 AM PST
by
I want the USA back
(Patriarchal binary all original-equipment breeder and White-privileged crusader.)
To: ConservingFreedom
Trump's forte' will be building factories that actually MAKE things
I honestly envision lunch pail, whistle blowing plants operational by 2018
Shoes from the leather from our beef industry, Anchor Hocking importing from the (former) Middle east ( .. /8^) .. ), steel from Pittsburgh,(more) Autos from Detroit, guns from any state, etc.
How many "I's" can one "T" ?
How many "T's" does it take to make an "I"
(prepared for the Polish, Chinese, redneck lightbulb jokes ... )
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posted on
12/22/2015 8:53:27 AM PST
by
knarf
(I say things that are true .... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
To: ConservingFreedom
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posted on
12/22/2015 8:59:23 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: ConservingFreedom
I used to use freelancer all the time for website coding. But the money I saved was wasted in time spent on do-overs, translation, time zone differences, etc.
Total disaster.
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:07:31 AM PST
by
nhwingut
(Trump-Cruz 2016 - Blow Up The GOP)
To: ConservingFreedom
IT and computer programmers can join the large and illustrious club of industries that have been swallowed up by the outsourcing/offshoring monster.
Our mantra is: if someone in the world will do it cheaper than you can, then you are considered expendable, damn the consequences.
This has been going on for over forty years, and computer trades are only the latest casualty. And people wonder why anyone under forty won’t go anywhere near STEM careers. They are literally financial suicide for young career seekers.
Seriously, how do you compete against third world workers who are in industries heavily subsidized by communist regimes, and financed by first world financial interests?
You don’t.
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:13:24 AM PST
by
factoryrat
(We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
To: DannyTN
I’m pretty sure we already have off shored our government, the whole congress AND the white house.
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:14:59 AM PST
by
ro_dreaming
(Chesterton, 'Christianity has not been tried and found wanting. It's been found hard and not tried')
To: factoryrat
Congress should just pass a law that makes earning a decent living illegal.
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:16:38 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: factoryrat
It is amazing how terrible Americans treat each other.
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:18:30 AM PST
by
central_va
(I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
To: EQAndyBuzz
"
Do you want to pay more and code it once or twice or do you want to pay less and code it 10-11 times? In all my years in IT, I never had an offshoring project which finished on time or on schedule.
And every time it had to do with understanding the requirements, because if they donât understand it, they donât tell you. They just wait until you ask where the code is and then they tell you."
Despite its costs, vanity prevails over good business practices at the top. Avarice is fulfilled by each individual by way of social methods (see social diseases). Offices--dens of soiled hyenas--appear to be peaceful to outsiders. It's part of the mess allowed by the overall debt regime, doomed to end before long.
My advice to technically inclined young folks would be to learn all that they can about repairing and manufacturing equipment that is more useful than computer entertainment (tractors, vehicles and the like). Emphasize useful equipment with open source designs.
Web tech stinks, BTW. The hogs (web sites) continue to get fatter and uglier.
The Marching Morons By C. M. Kornbluth
http://www.gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluthcm-marchingmorons/kornbluthcm-marchingmorons-00-e.html
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:21:39 AM PST
by
familyop
("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy," example of today's politico.)
To: EQAndyBuzz
Object oriented code libraries with reusable code modules will also decrease the need for NEW code, though people to string it together for new purposes are still needed.
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:27:07 AM PST
by
tbw2
To: central_va
I worked in three industries over the last 25 years, and in all three cases I lost my job due the company going bankrupt, and then being sold to a foreign interest. And in all three interests, the demise of the company was fomented from within. Care to guess which three?
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:27:39 AM PST
by
factoryrat
(We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
To: knarf
The skills mismatch Mike Rowe of Dirty Jobs fame discusses comes to mind.
Lots of unemployed college graduates with degrees in liberal arts, or worse, no degree but 50K in debt. And there are millions of skilled trade jobs that pay middle class wages but no one went into welding, plumbing, CNC programming, semi-conducter manufacturing, etc because it isn’t cool and they were actively dissuaded from it or never even heard of the job fields.
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:28:32 AM PST
by
tbw2
To: EQAndyBuzz
Do you want to pay more and code it once or twice or do you want to pay less and code it 10-11 times? Many in management would ask if that was a trick question before immediately choosing option number 2.
To: factoryrat
"Seriously, how do you compete against third world workers who are in industries heavily subsidized by communist regimes, and financed by first world financial interests?
You donât."
We do, by seeing past the lies about oil markets and costs of transportation. Young folks, remember to focus on open source designs and a much more distributed manufacturing base. Until then, perceive and practice frugality and self-sufficiency as a personal science. You probably have just enough time to learn a trade before some big changes occur.
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posted on
12/22/2015 9:40:05 AM PST
by
familyop
("Welcome to Costco. I love you." --Costco greeter in "Idiocracy," example of today's politico.)
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