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A Reasonable Conversation About Guns?
Townhall.com ^ | December 7, 2015 | D.W. Wilber

Posted on 12/07/2015 5:20:51 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
Realistically the only thing that might reduce the number of deaths as a result of firearms would be a complete and total ban on gun ownership in America, requiring voluntary surrender of guns by all citizens, along with a robust confiscation effort by law enforcement.

Even this won't work. With a simple lathe/mill machine, or plans and a 3D printer, I can make a firearm in my garage. Unless you can un-invent guns, confiscation will only effect the law abiding.

21 posted on 12/07/2015 5:57:10 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: Kaslin

“””””A Reasonable Conversation About Guns?””””””

Sure, my family has one about once a week over the dinner table or family BBQ.
“Bought any new weapons lately?”
“Are you still reloading? Cause I need some 30-06.”
“I bagged a medium sized buck yesterday... we gonna have a deer sausage breakfast next Sunday... ya’ll coming?”
“Have you seen the new Kimber? oh man...”
“We still going hunting Christams morning?... cause I got a new 300blackout... wait till you see it.”

We have conversations about guns all the time.


22 posted on 12/07/2015 5:58:10 AM PST by envisio (I ain't here long... I'm out of napalm and .22 bullets.)
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To: Kaslin
A Reasonable Conversation About Guns?

Not possible. There is no common ground between the two sides to converse on.

23 posted on 12/07/2015 6:00:42 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Arm_Bears

You shouldn’t have.

We need to control the conversation. Fat chance, I know. But to just give up and let the liberals get away with their lies is not very constructive.


24 posted on 12/07/2015 6:01:55 AM PST by saleman
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To: markoman

the guy who taught my CCW class a retired LEO, said the exact same thing.

either NO one has them... i.e. the elitists, bozo bodyguards, etc....or EVERYONE has them.


25 posted on 12/07/2015 6:02:17 AM PST by QualityMan (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: Kaslin

The 21st. century Democrat Party has gone Full Alinsky.
It is impossible to have a reasonable conversation with them about ANYTHING.


26 posted on 12/07/2015 6:13:56 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kaslin

The “conversation” was over a long time ago when the Constitution and the Bill of Rights (2nd amendment) were passed and ratified.

Or in the terminology of the left...”it’s settled law”.


27 posted on 12/07/2015 6:21:11 AM PST by FrankR (You're only enslaved to the extent of the charity that you receive!)
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To: Kaslin

After the liberals agree to “reasonable” limits on abortion.

This will help establish their definition of “reasonable”.

Aren’t they always attempting to demonstrate how severe conservatives are, because we won’t consider cases of rape and incest?

Let’s ask them to change the law to ONLY cases of rape and incest and see if they sign up.


28 posted on 12/07/2015 6:28:02 AM PST by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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To: Kaslin

We are winning all the arguments about Gun Rights.

No surrender.

No negotiation.

On to victory!


29 posted on 12/07/2015 6:37:05 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Property Owners who maintain "Gun Free Zones" for killing should be legally liable for any shooting.)
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To: saleman

I stopped reading because of the implicit assumption that Liberals are reasonable.

They are not.

As such, the idea that one can have a reasonable conversation with a Liberal about anything is a time-wasting fantasy.


30 posted on 12/07/2015 6:41:15 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Biology is biology. Everything else is imagination.)
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To: Kaslin

Reasonable? Reasonable would be about the need to encourage cReying and ending gun free zones, also fostering more training since training is part of the exercise of the right in the 2nd amendment.

That reasonable? Or the other way reasonable? ie smart guns dispensing people from training, ban on semi autos that would prevent grandma from access to firearms etc?

What do these idiots define as reasonable, using the liberal rhetoric?

Wouldn’t it be reasonable to ask Obama why he armed cartels with stolen guns while insisting at the UN to keep Mexicans disarmed and murdered?

No, I guess this is not reasonable to question the powers, as it is not reasonable to ask whether Obama is blackmailing the ATF for having participated in genocide or other RINOs like McCain for arming thugs in Syria...

That is what would be reasonable subjects to broach before going on “reasonable” gun legislation


31 posted on 12/07/2015 6:44:54 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall noshi)
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To: Arm_Bears
Stopped reading right there.

This is getting old.

STOP IT!!!

32 posted on 12/07/2015 6:51:14 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Arm_Bears

Bingo. Liberals are predatorial trolls. They never comment on the subject, always commenting and attacking the commenter, sidetracking the conversation, because liberals are:

1. idiots who hate the subject of conversation that makes them uncomfortable or look stupid (hence like immature school thugs they say the teacher is crazy instead of doing the essay) (Kerry’s right to be stupid)

2. they are conversational predators, waiting for anyone to say something to pounce on them, making it impossible to discuss the predatorial of Planned Parenthood they love , for instance

3. they are cowards going after the owner of the firearm and car, ticketing them, instead of going after the criminal who stole either to commit crimes with.

What is fracking reasonable in saying Global warming causes terror!?

It is ridiculous.

Liberals need to be educated, not debated


33 posted on 12/07/2015 6:51:18 AM PST by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall noshi)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Do you mean any citizen, including criminals, or just law abiding citizens?

Just to make sure

34 posted on 12/07/2015 6:58:37 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: FrankR

It seems to me the ‘disconnect’ on the 2nd revolves around what you said. Its really not law or something that can be changed. The BOR is a statement that these things are beyond law and given to every man by God not govt. The govt has no recourse but to recognize them. If the govt refuses then the people also have the right to dissolve the govt and start again.


35 posted on 12/07/2015 6:59:50 AM PST by 556x45
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To: MNJohnnie

Excellent point, which the “progressives” will never get


36 posted on 12/07/2015 7:00:59 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
As for my solution to the problem of gun violence in America I think I'm more inclined to look at bringing back 'Marksmanship and Firearm Safety' to our school's curriculums, as they once were. Young people were taught to respect firearms, how to safely handle them, and to shoot competitively at targets, not to take pot-shots at their fellow man.

Yep - many of us grew up in better times - when life was considered a precious commodity and our Dads often worked with school teachers to help with firearm safety classes. My Dad got with my shop teacher and they put together a fine class - complete with a series of NRA safety films (with graphic pics of what happened to folks who did stupid things) and which included dry-firing/sighting. Even had a few field trips to a local range which brought out a number of other parents (mainly Dads at the time). No causalities and I have never forgotten the lessons learned.

37 posted on 12/07/2015 7:07:44 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Kaslin
Good people don't shoot other good people so there is no reason to disarm good people.

38 posted on 12/07/2015 7:07:50 AM PST by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)
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Realistically the only thing that might reduce the number of deaths as a result of firearms would be a complete and total ban on gun ownership in America, requiring voluntary surrender of guns by all citizens, along with a robust confiscation effort by law enforcement.

1. "Voluntary" surrender of guns will not happen in the United States. Compliance with New York's "SAFE" Act is negligible; we won't even register our guns when an unjust and unconstitutional law demands it.

2. A "robust" confiscation effort by law enforcement is likely to lead to a whole lot of ugly outcomes. I am strongly pro-police, for the most part. When it comes to those (hopefully few) police who become complicit in an effort to trample the Second Amendment, that will change completely. I have no sympathy for jackbooted thugs, which is how I would view any so-called American who participates in an inherently evil policy of disarming law-abiding Americans. The police are supposed to be there to protect and defend decent people, not to impose the will of the self-declared ruling class on real Americans.

39 posted on 12/07/2015 7:15:23 AM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Kaslin

The author is an ass.

A total ban would NOT reduce gun crime - because the criminals (like in Chicago) would never comply. Only the law abiding will suffer.

And the author appears to completely ignore the overwhelming history of incrementalism exhibited by the left. Because they have used this technique for so long, it is idiotic to cede even an inch in an existential argument over a fundamental right - one granted by God, and acknowledged (I one would have said ‘guaranteed’) by the constitution.

The left controls the schools, where self-responsibility is now forbidden. They control the media, where sensationalism rules. And they desperately want to control the ‘conversation’ on guns, using shout-down tactics, among more subversive options.

No, the author is an ass, and the website that published this owes 2nd amendment supporters a huge apology and retraction.


40 posted on 12/07/2015 7:15:44 AM PST by MortMan (I am offended by those who believe they have a right not to be offended.)
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