Posted on 11/30/2015 10:54:11 AM PST by wagglebee
Not inconsistent with a guy with a rifle outside of PP firing toward the police who arrived at the bank parking lot. But if it's easier to believe that every one involved is in cahoots with a cover up go ahead.
Here is my theory. He pulls into PP parking lot, starts shooting people in parking lot.
Several things happen then. One, people in parking lot that can get away, flee to bank, grocery store, and other locations. Those locations call in reports of a shooting, leading to the confusion on where the shooting started.
Next, there is a report that the man that was shot and subsequently died, was able to make it back inside the building and warn those inside. But you also have the woman who saw him shooting. They see this happening in the parking lot and implement their security procedures before he makes it into the building.
Next, he begins putting the purported IEDs around the outside of the building. This is when police begin responding. This is probably the reported “30 minutes” before he enters the building.
He shoots police who have made it to the Chase in response to the people who have fled there from PP.
He finally enters the building and continues setting up these “IEDs”.
Now, why the gag order? There were a lot of people injured, and just as others have posted, police admit to shooting at the building in response to his shooting at them. It is very, very possible they might be responsible for some of those injuries.
Another very good article I saw the other day is the recommendation from psychologists to not “glorify” the outcomes of these shootings. Do not show the mourning, the grief. Do not talk about the shooter (this was employed in the Oregon/Washington shooting recently). Don’t do wall to wall reporting. That may be another reason that we are seeing a lack of information coming out about this situation.
If he doesn’t plead guilty, there will be a trial soon enough.
Here is what you said.
"He shot people in the parking lot of PP. He couldn’t get to the employees in PP because the successfully implemented their security procedures."
As I said earlier, you did not qualify whether he was inside or outside when he shot them, leaving me free to believe he was. That is why I said you implied it.
Now, back on track, so to speak, you are saying that he walked up to a car and shot at the driver point blank through the window and missed ? Is it possible that the shots were coming from police who were trying to shoot him ? There were snipers on the roof.
Yeah, he had to have a rifle. I know the one woman said shotgun. Possible he had more than one gun.
The driver says he looked him right in the eyes (I seem to remember from that interview that he even says how crazy the guy looked) and the man shot at him. He thought he had been shot; he has cuts all over his face from the glass from the windshield.
This happened long before police arrived. This man was the man that showed up at King Soopers and triggered one of the first calls.
Snipers didn’t get there for awhile.
First, it would be easier. Especially since many times, it's true.
Second, I'm trying to debate my opinion of what happened with others who have a different opinion. That is how one gets to the truth. You now are part of that discovery.
What do you see as this guy's motive for running into a PP clinic, but only shooting people out in the parking lot ?
Sure, he's a nutcase, but still nutcases have motives. What about reports that this all started 30 minutes before he arrived at the clinic ? What about reports he shot a cop before he ever went inside ?
Do you know how many different LEO organizations they had on scene ? How many fire trucks ? How long did it take to get all that there ?
What times do the police reports show as this actually starting and when do they report he entered the clinic ?
Why the gag order ?
Not bad for a theory.
Were there reports of him carrying what must have been hundreds of pounds of IED’s while outside the clinic ?
What did these IED’s look like? How was he able to just walk around and place these IED’s while police were shooting at him ?
It took the cops 30 minutes to respond ????
On that, I completely agree.
I thought he was in the process of bringing propane tanks to the entrance to the building from his vehicle. The shootings could have taken place during that process.
There isn’t information on what the IEDs look like, but the police have reported they were no longer an issue. No other information was provided on the topic.
I think the claim is that the shooting had been happening 30 minutes before he entered the PP building. I proposed in that 30 minutes he shot people in the parking lot, placed IEDs outside the building, and in that time police arrived and he engaged them. Not that it took police 30 minutes to arrive.
OK. Now you say that he had IED’s on him.
Where is the proof that is true ?
I have looked and there are only reports that police were CHECKING to see if there were any such devices in the building. There were reports he had some ‘mysterious’ devices he carried into the building. None of these have ben substantiated, that I know of.
If so, let me know.
Was this guy shot before the University Cop got shot ?
Gunman Shoots Police Officers and Civilians at Planned Parenthood Abortion Business
Police spokeswoman Lt. Catherine Buckley said the gunman took a "long gun" into the facility and also took items with him, including some inside and outside of the building. Officers haven't been able to evaluate those to determine if they are explosives.
The Colorado Springs Police Department confirms that the items brought to the scene by the suspect have been secured, and processed items are no longer a threat.
Spokespeople for the PP clinic have stated that they have extensive security equipment in place and are working to find out why these features didn't keep this guy out or let staff know what was going on.
Like VIDEO CAMERAS. Where are those videos and if he was setting propane tanks outside the building, surely they would have noticed.
Besides, propane tanks are fairly recognizable and whatever he was carrying was described as mysterious.
The key quote
The university cop responded to police under fire. He was not a first responder.
Thanks to both of you for your contributions.
NOW, my theory( I know it’s not the same as my original bent, but that’s because I’m open minded):
The mysterious items were jars with dead baby fetuses in them that this guy had gotten out of dumpsters behind the PP clinic.
This is why he laid siege to the clinic. That is why he said “No more baby parts”. That is why the police refuse to let anyone see the ‘mysterious items’. That is why the gag order.
“Dear’s ex-wife, Pamela Ross, told the New York Times he was a Bible-believing Christian, and that he opposed abortion”
This is all that we will hear.
So... A University cop who arrives late on scene, and is in a parking lot a block away gets shot by a perp who is defending himself against an array of LEO's who are outside the PP clinic. And the perp is already inside the PP clinic because all the perp's action outside the clinic happened in the 30 minutes before the cops arrived.
Is that what you are saying ?
I don’t know where the University officer was shot. I just recall that he responded to a call for assistance as police were under fire.
And, repeated, I did not say it took the police 30 minutes to arrive. You have said that it was 30 minutes after shooting started before Dear entered the PP. I proposed activities that could have been occurring in that 30 minutes.
I was intrigued by your idea it is aborted babies placed around the building.
But, wouldn’t that mean PP was not following biologic waste procedures?
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