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Last Call for Ethanol
Townhall.com ^ | November 29, 2015 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 11/29/2015 5:46:00 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin
If it worked, we would want it. If we wanted it, you wouldn't need to subsidize it. If we didn't subsidize it, I could afford beef again and would actually start buying it again.

All that appears to make sense to me, that's why I don't expect government to ever squash it. Too many freeloaders making cash off of it now.

21 posted on 11/29/2015 6:31:30 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Kaslin
With such a political heavyweight as Feinstein leading the opposition, you would expect California Democrats to support an effort that helps families keep groceries on the table.

A political heavyweight but an intellectual featherweight.

But even a blind squirrel will occasionally find a nut.

22 posted on 11/29/2015 6:33:43 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Kaslin; Vigilanteman; SES1066

“Some 40 percent of the U.S. corn crop goes into gas tanks, not stomachs. As demand for corn has risen, so have food prices. As the cost of feed has risen, so have beef prices.”

One problem with this is corn prices are in the dump. They are almost as low as they have ever been in the last ten years - and trending down.

I watch many acres of corn being combined for grain in our area when it never had before. Everyone knew what was going to happen with the corn price.

http://www.omaha.com/money/with-no-sign-of-increased-demand-farmers-battle-falling-corn/article_64285831-2c09-537f-83e2-048fafde7dc8.html


23 posted on 11/29/2015 6:36:37 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Kaslin
Dempsey described the Pelosi letter as "a head-scratcher." He said, "It really stands out as one of the more bizarre moments for Pelosi." The only way it makes sense, Dempsey added, is if Pelosi wants to provide cover for the Obama administration to uphold a mandate that bites into everyone's wallet but, it seems, does not decrease greenhouse gases. Pelosi has to know how bad Obama would look touting ethanol as a tool to combat climate change.

Somehow I think a more likely reason Pelosi is pro ethanol is that it is somehow putting money in her pocket.

24 posted on 11/29/2015 6:38:44 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: YepYep

I’m buying a new one soon since mine got flooded and me with it.

It will probably get ethanol free as much as possible.

I have some fuel perks rewards that are going to run out today. I’ll pick up a few gallons of ethanol free in a gas can for my oldies even though they are in different states of dead.


25 posted on 11/29/2015 6:48:53 AM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: Kaslin

The ethanol mandate is to buy off Iowa farmers. Try killing the ethanol mandate and you have Iowa corn farmers in full revolt mode.


26 posted on 11/29/2015 6:50:04 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: cripplecreek; Kaslin
Ted Cruz Woos Iowa Ag Summit With Principled Anti-Ethanol Subsidy Stance

He says the same about wind, sugar and other subsidies. Instead he promises to ease taxes and regulation to allow industries to find their own path to prosperity.

Bump for a great article at the link above you provided.

I so admire Ted Cruz for taking a principled stand against ethanol subsidies and to propose a better, conservative solution to assist Iowa businesses with less government. Taking this stand publicly at an Iowa Ag Summit is more evidence of his integrity. It's really gratifying to see he received great applause from the crowd for his honesty.

Cruz campaign: "Ted Cruz is straightforward about what he believes, whether he is in Iowa, Texas, or Washington DC. We need more leaders who tell the truth about what they will do and the response to that kind of honesty is very positive."

27 posted on 11/29/2015 6:51:35 AM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: Perdogg

Sucking up to the corn belt.


28 posted on 11/29/2015 6:56:02 AM PST by boomop1 (Term limits is the only source of change.)
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To: cripplecreek

“I support a candidate who has firmly and unequivocally asserted that he intends to end subsidies and mandates to support ethanol, wind and other “green” fuels.”

I’ll “one-up” that and say I support a candidate who will end subsidies for ALL businesses. The Federal Gov’t is not in the business of picking winners and losers, but is in the business of carrying out the dictates of the Constitution ONLY!

The Feds can provide a subsidy to all businesses by second hand way of reducing the tax rate and regulations.


29 posted on 11/29/2015 6:59:40 AM PST by CapnJack
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To: Unmarked Package

Subsidies only ease the symptoms but don’t cure the disease.


30 posted on 11/29/2015 7:01:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.)
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To: Kaslin
It really stands out as one of the more bizarre moments for Pelosi.

You are kidding, right? Pelosi invented bizarre moments.

31 posted on 11/29/2015 7:02:03 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: Kaslin

“As the cost of feed has risen, so have beef prices. “

Anyone with a basic knowledge of agriculture knows this isn’t the case.
Beef prices went up due to the severe drought that was in the southwest for many years. This caused ranchers to liquidate their cow herds.
Rains and pastures are back; but the build cycle takes a long time to get the herds back.
It is happening however; and cattle prices have recently dropped.


32 posted on 11/29/2015 7:03:27 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Kaslin

Follow the money.


33 posted on 11/29/2015 7:37:26 AM PST by headstamp 2
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To: neefer

http://b3cfuel.com/products/ethanol-shield-fuel-stabilizer

The best one out there.


34 posted on 11/29/2015 7:44:09 AM PST by headstamp 2
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To: Kaslin

Muslims will be offended with Alcohol in their car


35 posted on 11/29/2015 7:58:57 AM PST by butlerweave
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To: upchuck
Stop legislation that burns our food supply.

It's important to get this piece of the argument against ethanol correct.

Ethanol proponents will say that the corn grown to produce ethanol is not corn that's fit for human consumption, so growing corn for fuel doesn't affect food prices.

That's complete bullshit.

While it may be true that the corn grown for ethanol production isn't fit for human (or animal) consumption, the land used to grow ethanol producing corn is land that would otherwise be used to grow food!

By reducing the amount of usable land to grow food, ethanol does in fact INCREASE food prices across the board for EVERYONE.

Making ethanol is also a NET LOSS in terms of energy. It takes more energy to produce it than burning ethanol actually creates. Cars for example, lose anywhere from 1-3mpg as a result of just 10% ethanol in every gallon of gas. That means every vehicle on the road burns more fuel, not less per every 100 miles driven.

Then there's the argument that ethanol actually increases pollution, I'll save that one for another time.

36 posted on 11/29/2015 8:11:31 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: cripplecreek
Subsidies only ease the symptoms but don’t cure the disease.

DEFINITION of 'Subsidy' from Investopedia:

A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or tax reduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

Politics play an important part in subsidization. In general, the left is more in favor of having subsidized industries, while the right feels that industry should stand on its own without public funds.

In laymans terms: "Subsidies" are in fact nothing more than a Government sanctioned transfer of wealth through force of law, from one economic or social sector to another. No right thinking Conservative would support subsidies of ANY kind.

37 posted on 11/29/2015 8:17:06 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Kaslin

Ethanol bad, Butanol good.


38 posted on 11/29/2015 8:18:05 AM PST by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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To: usconservative
First of all....I'm not an ethanol proponent. As a fuel supplement, the market cannot exist without subsidies...just like wind power. So it's a bogus market.

It's important to get this piece of the argument against ethanol correct.

Yes, and you didn't.

Ethanol proponents will say that the corn grown to produce ethanol is not corn that's fit for human consumption, so growing corn for fuel doesn't affect food prices. That's complete bullshit.

No, it isn't. It also doesn't or barely affects feed prices.

While it may be true that the corn grown for ethanol production isn't fit for human (or animal) consumption

It is absolutely fit for livestock feed, that was the traditional purpose for that crop in hog and beef producing states. Furthermore, due to bio-processing, the spent mash, after the alcohol is extracted is a superior feed to the unprocessed corn. They then sell it as livestock feed.

the land used to grow ethanol producing corn is land that would otherwise be used to grow food!

Wrong again honey.

Ever been to the Cornhusker State? Their corn is basically a hydroponic crop, where they plant hybrid feed corn in the almost STERILE SAND and irrigate the hell out of it with anhydrous ammonia etc as a fertilizer. The sand just holds up the corn-stalks. If they could grow anything else there, they would.

By reducing the amount of usable land to grow food, ethanol does in fact INCREASE food prices across the board for EVERYONE.

Really? I can buy 5 ears of sweet corn in Maine for a buck...How much cheaper can you expect it to be? Corn chips are two bucks a bag, but how do you explain the outrageous prices they are getting for potato chips?

Otherwise, you're probably right.

But they should be making booze out of the corn-squeezins and GIVING it to the terrorists.

39 posted on 11/29/2015 8:33:30 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Kaslin

I buy my small engine gas at the local airport, Aircraft gas is alcohol free, however you can’t burn it in a car because it has so much lead it will plug your catalytic converter.


40 posted on 11/29/2015 8:37:02 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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