Posted on 11/28/2015 7:59:42 PM PST by amorphous
Very doubtful.
Article 5 does not require us to save Turkey because they were not attacked - they were the aggressor here - attempting to stop the disruption of government graft and corruption trafficking in ISIS oil.
Not going to happen. And if it did, you would never hear anything about it. Turkey would never admit someone was repeatedly violating its airspace and Russia would never say it was repeatedly and intentionally violating Turkish airspace violating international law.
Don’t worry about kabar here. He is just a knee-jerk arm-chair cold warrior looking for communists under his bed.
I was actually involved in the Cold War, not from an armchair. A leopard never changes its spots. Putin is the real relic of the Cold War who would like to return to the good old days of the Soviet Union and its hegemony over Eastern Europe. Why do you think all those Warsaw Pact countries clamored to get into NATO after the fall of the Soviet Union?
I was too and was personal witness to a lot of encounters. We did not shoot at each other.
NATO will do nothing more than saber rattle, if that, for Turkey. The NATO denouncement meant nothing as it had no teeth. Putin doesn't feel threatened by being called a ‘bad boy’ and having a gnarled finger waived into his face. He can rule Europe through the gas pipe.It is December and getting quite cold in Western Europe.A pipeline problem would make Germany and Europe a very cold place.
Obama could have stopped that by allowing the building of LNG plants that the gas industry has wanted for years, but he doesn't like fracking.Even though it saved his ass and the economy. He could have pushed for a change in the law that would allow for the exportation of more domestic oil products, but he decided not to.
IF there is no chance of a hot war, Putin already won the day and is free to continue on whatever course HE decides.
Boys will be boys until a man puts them in their place.Is your boy toy Obama man enough to even look Putin in the eye, much less do anything? NO!
Turkey may remain in NATO, but Putin has shown that it is a phony vestige of a bygone era. It is like Humpty Dumpty after the fall. Is there really anything NATO does that is effective anyway?
Everything I said would happen is happening exactly the way I said it would happen.NATO has fig leafed Erdagon in front and stabbed him in the back and Putin will get his way.Such is the way of the World when cowards and fools run into a bully.
Obama, Erdagon and the entire lot of Western leadership are infested with cowardice and fear. They are all outright embarrassments to Western Civilization.
Men are men and know how to push around little boy losers like Obama and Erdagon.
Now who smells like roses. An apology from Erdagon, the next will be formal & written. And he will pay restitution to Russia and the pilots family.
The West is falling so fast in line that you may see Obama and Erdagon keeling, figuratively if not literally, in front of Putin.
Putin has decided Turkey has yet too eat enough shit over this and they will eat as much as Putin decides to put on their plate.
Believe it!
The fact is that this incident, along with the last seven years, shows just how important a strong American President is to the safety of the World and its'people. You can't release hollow threats about red lines over and over with no consequences and then expect that foreign powers will show you respect. They will crap on you like Putin is crapping all over the U.S., Turkey and the entire NATO alliance.
If this was high school Putin would be giving Obama and Erdagon swirlies in the men's room toilet while France and the rest of Europe look on hoping they aren't next in line.
This is all due to feckless, arrogant and stupid leadership from Obama and his cadre of harpy bitches & eunuchs that run his inner circle.
Obama had numerous chances to stifle and stymie Putin in his goals for the reconquest of the former Soviet Union. He was simply too cowardly, stupid and feckless to do anything that would have given Putin pause.
Now Putin sees it is open season and the half century drought of Russian influence in the Middle East is over. He has been given a green light to reenter the region all but unopposed and he is doing so through Iran, Syria and head butting anyone that gets in his way.
Now the entire World can see it is open season on territory and power grabs while Obama searches for a legacy in green technology and failing domestic and foreign affairs. Every miscreant from every corner of the globe is on the move against the interests of the United States and Obama worries about Global Climate Disruption.
You and I agree that that is Putin’s end game. The reestablishment of the former Soviet empire under the influence of a fascist Russia. So far he is winning the day, because we have feckless, stupid and cowardly leadership.
That's the money line.
Bet he chit when 0 wouldn't take his calls.
Vietnam: We did shoot at one another. Berlin: Arthur D. Nicholson. Over a dozen US military planes were shot down by the Soviets. There was plenty of loss of life in the Cold War starting with Korea.
I despise Obama. He has committed several impeachable offenses. I am an American. I don't take any pleasure in Putin besting Obama. Why do you create this strawman? Why is being against Putin mean that I am an Obama fan?
NATO will do nothing more than saber rattle, if that, for Turkey. The NATO denouncement meant nothing as it had no teeth. Putin doesn't feel threatened by being called a ‘bad boy’ and having a gnarled finger waived into his face. He can rule Europe through the gas pipe.It is December and getting quite cold in Western Europe.A pipeline problem would make Germany and Europe a very cold place.
Nothing significant is going to come of it. It will fade away. Putin is just playing to his domestic audience.
You can continue with your mindless rantings. They will change nothing.
Mindless? You are the one to be shown the fool.
Of course I am correct.
You have admitted as much.
Putin will continue to go on the offensive.
China will lay claim to more of the South China Sea.
The radicals in Africa will continue to ‘convert’, rape and head chop unhindered while flooding Europe with terrorists dressed as ‘refugees’ and every American Ally will scatter to look for a protector in the face of naked aggression.
Of course according to YOU , none of this is significant!
Meanwhile Obama will polish Reggie Love’s knob and try to stifle our productivity through Green Energy nonsense.
It is all significant. You can’t change it.
Neither can you. The least you can do is remain informed and not deluded by past experience.
We do not have the leadership we once had. We have squandered it by allowing Obama to remain in office.
I am better informed than you are. Obama is in office until January 20, 2017. And the odds are that Hillary Clinton will replace him. Demography is destiny.
You have been shown to be uninformed.
Clinton is more likely to do time in prison than in the White House.
As much as I dislike the regime in iran, how the Europeans have appeased the regime along with successive U.S. admins, we were talking about Erdogan and Turkey in this case. And, Iran is not in NATO.
If only that were true. Do you think Obama and DOJ would prosecute the Dem nominee for President? If so, you need to get better informed.
The Russians will build the pipeline thru Turkey to get gas to Europe and they have already spent $3 billion building the nuclear plant in Turkey. Iran is an example of how politics are put aside in order to make a buck.
I stand corrected. You are absolutely correct. The NeoCON Rinos want us to attack Turkey . The reason I point out the treaty is because it RILES them SOOOOO. But Turkey was chiken $shit it that entire shot down but it aint over!!!! They will be pissing blood.!!
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