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To: Sacajaweau

“The warning does not say they are in their airspace.”

The Turkish air traffic controller warned the pilot of what was then an unidentified aircraft to immediately divert on a new heading to the South by the authority of the Turkish Air Force. This warning and command was broadcast of the guard channel every pilot is required to monitor for emergency air traffic control instructions, such as this warning to immediately change course. Given the imminent danger, this warning was clear and easily understood to imply the Turkish Air Force would fire upon the unidentified aircraft if its pilot did not take and immediate southern heading to avoid Turkish air space and Turkish air defenses.

“And the Russian pilots understood English? And they knew that how?”

The English language is the mandatory international language to be used by all licensed pilots and aviation authorities worldwide to avoid misunderstandings in radio communications. Every licensed Russian commercial and military pilot is required to be proficient with enough of the English language to conduct radio communications with all air traffic control and ICAO authorities. Every licensed pilot is required to monitor the radio communications guard channel as required by the ICAO and numerous international agreements.

The Russian aircrew disregarded the Turkish Air Force warnings, did not hear the Turkish Air Force warnings because they neglected to monitor the guard channel, were ordered to disregard warnings on the guard channel, or had their available radio frequencies in their radio sets restricted by their command as they formerly did in the Soviet era to prevent unauthorized communications by the pilots (highly unlikely in this day and age). In any case, the Russian pilots know/knew enough English and enough about ICAO rules to be aware of their responsibilities to identify their aircraft to air traffic controllers, monitor the guard channel, and not to overfly Turkish airspace without being willing to suffer the consequences for doing so.

The Russian government is lying.


12 posted on 11/26/2015 5:30:37 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX
were ordered to disregard warnings

That would be my guess. The pilots were ordered by their Russian commanders to disregard the warnings. This way Putin can claim to have an excuse for an aggressive response. This seems to be the Russians' normal way of doing things.

25 posted on 11/26/2015 5:50:51 AM PST by ETL (Ted Cruz 2016!! -- For a better, safer America)
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To: WhiskeyX

So the recording comes out two days after the fact? Yea, right. I have trouble with both of them. The Russians apparently may have flown over a small finger of land but IMHO, Turkey was just looking for a reason.

Why was the recording not released immediately, or did it take them two days to goad the donkey to get them to wherever the recording was made?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-JA1ffd5Ms


30 posted on 11/26/2015 6:03:58 AM PST by mazda77
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To: WhiskeyX

Russia is lying

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That’s possible, but unknowable unless you have a certified accurate recording of the aircrafts ground path time stamped to the voice recording.

The real question is why would the Turks shoot down a plane that making at best a technical violation of their airspace

Lots of interesting info can


49 posted on 11/26/2015 8:01:19 AM PST by rdcbn ("If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin." Zell Miller)
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To: WhiskeyX
This warning and command was broadcast of the guard channel every pilot is required to monitor for emergency air traffic control instructions...

Are other aviators in the area of concern stating they heard the "warnings?"

55 posted on 11/26/2015 8:38:19 AM PST by stboz
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