Posted on 11/25/2015 8:37:16 AM PST by catnipman
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announces that it has approved Fluad, the first seasonal influenza vaccine containing an adjuvant.
Fluad, which is manufactured using an egg-based process, is formulated with the adjuvant MF59, an oil-in-water emulsion of squalene oil.
The study showed that Fluad induced antibody levels that were comparable to the levels induced by Agriflu [i.e., no better.]
Fluad was approved using the accelerated approval regulatory pathway, which allows the FDA to approve products for serious or life-threatening diseases based on evidence that the product has an effect on an outcome that is reasonably likely to predict clinical benefit
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“Originally, anti-vaccine hysteria was a religious thing—using vaccines prevented people from getting sick, and thus went against God’s plan...”
I don’t remember that.
I don’t remember that.
That's probably because you weren't born yet.
As soon as Dr. Jenner developed the first smallpox vaccine, religious fanatics went all out to discredit him and to claim that vaccines go against God's plan. According to this website, religion-based anti-vaxxers were busy even before Dr. Jenner's seminal work.
Somewhere along the way, anti-vax morphed into a leftist cause-celebre. No matter who is the main push behind it, however, it results in more deaths from preventable disease. And that is never good.
“If you are going to quote medical sources, quote them in enough context that you relay what the original authors (who are physicians and medical researchers) were actually saying”
ROTFLOL!
That’s EXACTLY what I did! Everything but my bullet point commentary was copied complete and verbatim from medscape.com, a website of doctors. What you labeled as hooey was the pro and con exchange of a group of medical professionals with differing opinion about the value and safety of Fluad.
“As soon as Dr. Jenner developed the first smallpox vaccine, religious fanatics went all out to discredit him and to claim that vaccines go against God’s plan. “
That seems a bit of hyperbole, based on the link you referenced.
Still, it is amazing how today’s anti-vax stance is a diabolically clever mix of religious-type concerns and leftist ones, e.g. it’s not natural and it is evil corporations trying to make money.
Normally, I do not get flu vaccines. But, due to a serious medical condition, my dr gave me the new vaccine for seniors. All my family members had to get vaccinated too.
I’m happy to say not one of us had a reaction what-so-ever.
“Originally, anti-vaccine hysteria was a religious thing—using vaccines prevented people from getting sick, and thus went against God’s plan for those people. (God’s plan, presumably, being for large numbers of people to die painful deaths from disease.)”
Never heard that in my life. I could see that they wouldn’t want to get vaccinated because that may mean they didn’t trust God. But to cull a population? I really don’t think so.
I don’t think how one feels about flu shots or vaccines has anything to do with being on the left or right.
Um... no. A thread from a forum over at Medscape, where anti-vaxxers can post freely and inject their poison into a medical conversation, is hardly comparable to actual medical literature. It is also a conversation between non-experts, which basically means that almost anything they say is speculative.
Reliable medical information contains references, which you can verify for yourself at www.pubmed.org, which is the database for all reliable peer-reviewed literature. The reliable websites, such as Mayo Clinic, WebMD, CDC, etc. all use medical journals for references. Many writers of hooey also use medical references in order to appear legitimate, but if you double check their references, you find that quotes are taken out of context, the references do not say what they claim, or the references do not actually exist in the medical literature.
That seems a bit of hyperbole, based on the link you referenced.
That link was only meant to be a quick reference for what I said previously, and not an exhaustive review of the subject. Here is another link that mentions the religious basis of much of the early anti-vax movement; it is a theme that comes up over and over when you read the historical basis of anti-vaxxers.
Still, it is amazing how today's anti-vax stance is a diabolically clever mix of religious-type concerns and leftist ones, e.g. it's not natural and it is evil corporations trying to make money.
In a larger context, that is always the basis of the objection to any technological advance. No matter how much scientific evidence exists about the technology, there are always a number of people who are fearful and suspicious. We have all been raised with electric lights and I have never met anyone fearful about them, but I saw a sign dating from the early 1900s or late 1800s which explained to hotel guests that the electric light in their room did not present any risk to their health.
It seems to me that some people thrive on being scared of the unknown and living in perpetual fear about something.
“A thread from a forum over at Medscape where anti-vaxxers can post freely”
You’re pretty clueless about medscape.com, aren’t you?
Actually, not. I signed up for a Medscape account years ago, although I rarely use it.
The thing is, a forum where anyone can (and does) post is not the equivalent of peer-reviewed medical literature. I do think that the articles at Medscape are firmly based in medical science, but the comments have to be taken with a grain of salt. Just like comments anywhere, actually.
Dear X Dem, the autism rates are up to 1 in 48 now, modern communists don’t kill intellectuals they just kill the intellect. I suggest speaking with young families with autistic children. It is stunning just how many children who suddenly develop autism within days of their MMR vaccinations. Or suffer SIDS.
To those families it is not a conspiracy, it is a tragedy that crosses political lines.
It is not the dreaded anti vaxxers freely injecting poison... A truly ironic turn of phrase. Where I am living currently, it is the conservatives leading the anti vaccine initiatives.
You really should study the issue seriously, not just ignore it based on some wacko site’s content, or worship the promises of the white robed priests of the god pharmacia. Study the middle ground, that is where truths can be discovered.
It is a Democrat thing to believe lies from those who pretend to be respectable, and who promise they have your best interest at heart. Don’t fall for it again!
According to the CDC it is more like 1 in 68 (or I’ve also seen 1 in 250 quoted) but even that is questionable as that this is the number children who are being identified with autism spectrum disorder (ASD). A diagnosis of ASD now includes several conditions that used to be diagnosed separately: autistic disorder, pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS), and Asperger syndrome. These conditions are now all called autism spectrum disorder (ASD). Also many children who were once being diagnosed as being mildly retarded or “slow†are now being diagnosed as somewhere on the Autism Spectrum.
Some children displaying symptoms of ADHD are also being co-diagnosed as being on the ASD and IMO, ADHD is itself being way over diagnosed.
Autism rates are up, but is it really on the rise?
It is stunning just how many children who suddenly develop autism within days of their MMR vaccinations. Or suffer SIDS
I have studied the issue in far more depth than ANY anti-vaxxer, and furthermore actually understand the biochemical basis of how vaccines work. I have devoted a large part of my professional career as a scientist to understanding this issue.
The "autism-vaccine" meme came about because a money-hungry physician, Andrew Wakefield, managed to get the Lancet, a respectable journal, to publish his "research" that supposedly showed a link between the MMR vaccine and autism. The "research" itself was bogus--I have no idea how it got through the peer-review process, unless the reviewers were asleep when they reviewed the paper. Unlike most papers that are retracted, this one is still available in its entirety, with the word "Retracted" printed in large letters diagonally across each page.
I will not go into all of the details about how Wakefield's "research" was bogus, but I will say that it consisted of subjecting mentally handicapped children to invasive and dangerous procedures. This "research" was never approved by an ethical review board, as is required for all research involving human or animal subjects, and would probably have not passed ethical review.
There are two ways in which Wakefield was hoping to profit from this "research." One is that he was involved in developing a single-component measles vaccine. Since there really is no market for a single-component vaccine, when parents would rather give a 3 in 1 vaccine and spare their children the extra needle pokes, Wakefield needed a way to convince people to use his vaccine. Therefore, in the bogus paper, he concluded that parents should give the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines separately, spaced out over a year. I will point out that he did NOT advocate that parents should stop giving the vaccines--this was a later development. The other way he wanted to profit was through acting as an expert witness in lawsuits. His paper would serve as documentation that there was a link between MMR and autism; thus, he could testify on behalf of parents of autistic children who would file lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers for damages. Oh, and he was in cahoots with a lawyer for that effort; he and his lawyer friend stood to make millions through lawsuits.
Wakefield has been discredited and lost his medical license years ago. His paper has been retracted. I'm surprised that anyone still brings up the bogus vaccine-autism link, but I guess bad pseudoscience never really disappears.
Autism is a genetic disease. Unfortunately, a lot of money was wasted by researchers trying to validate Wakefield's claims (they never could, because the claims were fake). That money could have been better used researching exactly which genes are involved and how genetically altered brain development results in autism.
Thanks by the way for the well thought out return post. I am on my phone and typing is difficult.
I think autism as spoken of today is not just genetic, while genetics plays a part it can do so in more ways than one. One not so obvious way is a common genetic disorder that greatly reduces the ability to handle heavy metals.
Pretty sure you know where I am going with that. The inclusion of a corrosive as a “preservative” is illogical.
The identical symptom sets between mercury poisoning and autistic behaviors, the timing of “flare ups” as the next day after injections from multi dose containers or statistical spike of SIDS right after immunization needs to be directly addressed not shoveled under the rug as it now is.
The only conspiracy I see clearly is the cover up by the big pharma, not the vaccinations themselves. Millions of lives have been destroyed by sloppy medical practice, not by practitioners, but by corporate interests.
Could there be a greater threat? Yes, but let’s address what we can see, and deal with tin foil hat stuff IF it comes crawling from under some rock somewhere.
For now, let’s get the heavy metals out of vaccines, we can address later why they are there in the first place.
As a person with heavy metal occupational hazard issues I have severe reactions to vaccines. I find it difficult to deal with practitioners attitudes about conspiracy theorists with my real world concerns.
Thanks, will read later.
Yeaaah, I'll pass.
Holy cow. Thank you, catnipman.
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