Posted on 11/23/2015 1:39:36 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
France began air strikes on Sunday against the Islamic State in Syria, a stronghold for the militant group. On the same day of the French air strikes, the U.S. military destroyed 116 ISIS fuel trucks Sunday in Abu Kamal, in the Euphrates River basin near the Syrian-Iraq border.
FOX News A military official with knowledge of the strikes said that recently-arrived U.S. Air Force A-10 Warthogs from Incirlik Air Base, in Turkey, carried out the strikes on the fuel farm.
The official said previously the fuel trucks were off limits to U.S. military strike aircraft. When asked if the Paris attacks would bring about a change in the U.S. military’s rules of engagement, the official said that the truck drivers were warned first before the bombs fell.
“We dropped leaflets, warning the drivers to scatter,†said an official who had been briefed on the strike. “Next we strafed the area [with 30mm cannons] before the dropping bombs†from the warthogs.
Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/11/obama-regime-ordered-us-military-to-warn-isis-fuel-truck-drivers-before-bombing-their-trucks/#MLU3buwj2qmmjaC5.99
Good. You're thinking logistically. We're gonna need that. :)
Different war. Different tactics.
As I said, go back and read Homer Simpson’s WWII posts. Every day there were leaflet sorties. We used them for a lot of purposes. We used them to warn people to get out of town.
When there are columns of tanks headed for Paris I am for total war. That’s not going to happen.
If they are full blown radical Islamist, they will end up dead soon enough. Most of the truck drivers are just trying to make a living.
I am glad Russia is doing the job what we should be doing and I have a feeling there may be more to come down the road and things won’t be settled for a long time.
After the Battle of Britain, when the British were first starting to launch their bomber raids into Germany, they announced that they would only attack military targets. They, unlike the Germans who dastardly attacked London, (by accident) would hold to a higher standard and only attack targets that had military value.
After a month or so, they soon realized that most of the time they were lucky to get within a half a mile of their intended target, and most of the time they weren't doing any serious damage to any military assets. One astute British fellow, and I forget his name, pointed out that highly accurate bombing was simply hopeless, and the best they could do was drop a string of bombs across the target, and hope they get close enough to do some damage. He pushed for targeting the civilians that ran the factories and transported the goods.
Before the war was over, the war planning had shifted. Now civilians were regarded as military infrastructure, and were regarded as legitimate targets. We carpet bombed everything. We killed 100,000 civilians in Dresden, and we killed 120,000 civilians in Tokyo.
David P Goldman has written an article arguing that we need to kill three million Islamic men. I find it hard to dispute his conclusions.
I do not understand what sort of war you think we are fighting.
So they warned ISIS to expect military planes to be coming overhead in 45 minutes?
Nice... was that just enough time for them to bring out their anti aircraft fire?
So they warned ISIS to expect military planes to be coming overhead in 45 minutes?
Nice... was that just enough time for them to bring out their anti aircraft fire?
Why is it that some of you want to see so much bloodshed. The guys driving those trucks are not fanatics. They are shoes driving the trucks. Blow up the trucks. Blow up the oil fields.
The war I am fighting is a logistical war. We did not bomb Germany to kill truck drivers. We bombed it to blow up ball bearing plants.
You are a bloodthirsty man. I have too many friends that are missing parts because people like you have been running these stupid wars.
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I think you have that backwards. Curtis LeMay saved a million of our Soldier's lives.
Once again, I think we are talking past each other. I can't grasp where you are coming from, and it would seem you can't grasp where i'm coming from.
I guess I'll just have to leave it at that.
B.H. Obammy, leader of the free world?
NOpe, just some worthless mookabooker with a nice smile and pure shit for brains.
I think we are comparing apples to oranges. You are equating this crap in Syria as a “total war.” I see it as a stupid little skirmish that the locals should have dealt with years ago.
Strategic bombing is very different than tactical bombing. Strategic bombing of infrastructure-which this was—is not personnel targeting. Unless you are firebombing civilians.
If this was close air support of a convoy headed towards troops—shoot them up. That’s what the A10 was built for.
It’s not worth arguing over. It seems today we have different issues of a much larger concern.
And i apologize for the “blood thirsty” stuff.
That was not a nice thing to say. I have appreciated your posts, and argued with you for years. No harm intended.
I am sorry I posted that, I asked for your forgiveness. Your response was much better than my post.
I don't think it is a good idea to engage in limited war. I think it enhances our ability to win wars to make potential enemies realize we will not hesitate to kill people, and that we won't be held back by a tendency toward kindness.
If this was close air support of a convoy headed towards troops—shoot them up. That's what the A10 was built for.
No argument.
It's not worth arguing over. It seems today we have different issues of a much larger concern.
Yes, our Islamic Turk "Ally" shooting down a Russian jet. Not good. Not good at all.
Limited war has been a bad idea forever.
But total war is not a good idea in the nuclear age.
What I find curious is how us hitting four truck drivers has the world in an uproar, and Russia is leveling cities without so much as a “how do you do.”
Our war policy for decades as been to use high tech weapons that are accurate so that we can minimize collateral damage. I understand the policy. On a humane level I appreciate it.
The problem is that when we kill the men with our accurate weapons, the little girls and boys that we spared grow up hating us.
The Russians will not have that problem because they are showing strength.
Trust me, if there are going to be boots on the ground against you, you want the Seals and Rangers. You do not have the Spetznatz showing up in your town. Because they will kill everyone. We just tend to kill the bad guys.
I guess we get it back and watch Sarajevo ‘15 roll out. This cannot end well.
No worries. I have a very thick internet skin. Wilting flowers do not do well in the free exchange of ideas.
That was not a nice thing to say. I have appreciated your posts, and argued with you for years. No harm intended.
I likewise value your opinions and I have seen you put forth very reasonable arguments in the past. I think reasonable men can come to a consensus, or if not, can at least appreciate that other people can have a different opinions.
I am sorry I posted that, I asked for your forgiveness. Your response was much better than my post.
You caught me on one of my reasonable days. Most of the time I am "Sturm und Drang". :)
No, I take serious discussions seriously and reserve the frivolous stuff for more academic discussions.
Lately I have become very concerned about the ascent of Islam. Europe is dying and if it becomes Islamic, it will become our enemy in the future. I fear we shall be at war with all of Islam ere long, and I am thinking we might as well attrit it now in any manner that we can.
I would rather they die than members of my nation die.
They do not care what the press thinks. In this nation, our press runs our governance, up to and including picking who gets to be the candidates and who wins the elections.
It is no illusion that there exists a "Fourth Estate" of government, and that "Fourth Estate" is the unelected unaccountable Presstitutes.
Our war policy for decades as been to use high tech weapons that are accurate so that we can minimize collateral damage. I understand the policy. On a humane level I appreciate it.
I do too.
The problem is that when we kill the men with our accurate weapons, the little girls and boys that we spared grow up hating us.
David P Goldman talks about that in that article I posted. It has long been noted that throughout human history wars tend to last for 30 years. You have to first kill off the fathers, then you have to kill off the sons. When you get it to the point where they don't have sufficient male population to wage war, the war ends.
The Russians will not have that problem because they are showing strength.
They teach a lesson with their Brutality. The Mongols taught the same lesson.
Trust me, if there are going to be boots on the ground against you, you want the Seals and Rangers. You do not have the Spetznatz showing up in your town. Because they will kill everyone. We just tend to kill the bad guys.
Being moral is a blessing and a curse at the same time.
I guess we get it back and watch Sarajevo '15 roll out. This cannot end well.
Believe it or not, I trace most of this disaster back to George Herbert Walker Bush's breaking of his "Read my lips... No new taxes!" pledge.
That sole act set in motion the chain of events that brought us Clinton and then Obama, and Obama was axiomatically going to make a horrible mess of things.
Obama has turned the entire Middle East into a disaster, and one which I perceive may grow increasingly worse. I fear we shall increasingly reach a point where we will not be able to exercise discretion in who gets killed, we will be worrying quite enough about how to keep ourselves from getting killed.
+ 10 points for the proper use of “axiomatically.”
I long for the days of use of grammar and vocabulary.
we would have to lock up every person who votes Democrat, execute more than 90% of journalists, execute more than 90% of elected politicians, and imprison more than 90% of the immigrants from the past two decades or so. The treason, espionage, and genocidal intent against the human citizens of the United States will not stop otherwise.
And, I is there a problem with that idea? Deportation? Maybe another country will take them, Russia maybe? Turkey? Or maybe Iran - I hear the weather is great there/s
we would have to lock up every person who votes Democrat, execute more than 90% of journalists, execute more than 90% of elected politicians, and imprison more than 90% of the immigrants from the past two decades or so. The treason, espionage, and genocidal intent against the human citizens of the United States will not stop otherwise.
And, I is there a problem with that idea? Deportation? Maybe another country will take them, Russia maybe? Turkey? Or maybe Iran - I hear the weather is great there/s
I guess I’ll just have to leave it at that.
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