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To: Zionist Conspirator
And that's the problem. Jews who abandon the Torah and who marry non-Jews are no longer true kosher Jews. And by your definition, the "original Jewish chrstians" would have been as Greek or Syriac as they were "Jewish."

I am just dealing in facts not emotions. Also "Jewish" is a word in English that denotes a religion and an ethnicity when the two are separated. Maybe Jewish Hebrews is a more accurate term. But it is clear Hellenized Jewish Hebrews converted to Christianity at a time when many of these very same Jews did not view it as a new religion but the Jewish religion with a Messiah. Over time it was differentiated as "Christianity" - a new religion.

In fact I may be so bold as to state the post temple rabbinic Jewish religion went through changes as well so it also is an offshoot of "Temple Judaism" and that eastern Christianity is senior to modern Rabbinc Judaism and that they should both be considered the offspring of the Temple Judaic faith.

39 posted on 11/19/2015 10:33:05 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Trumpinator; familyop
I am just dealing in facts not emotions. Also "Jewish" is a word in English that denotes a religion and an ethnicity when the two are separated.

"Jewish" has a Halakhic definition: anyone born to a Jewish mother or who converts Halakhically to Judaism. Secular categories do not apply here.

Maybe Jewish Hebrews is a more accurate term. But it is clear Hellenized Jewish Hebrews converted to Christianity at a time when many of these very same Jews did not view it as a new religion but the Jewish religion with a Messiah. Over time it was differentiated as "Christianity" - a new religion.

Kinda funny how this "Judaism with a messiah" had a "messiah" who didn't fulfill the prophecies. Oh, don't tell me . . . he "fulfilled" them "allegorically!"

In fact I may be so bold as to state the post temple rabbinic Jewish religion went through changes as well so it also is an offshoot of "Temple Judaism" and that eastern Christianity is senior to modern Rabbinc Judaism and that they should both be considered the offspring of the Temple Judaic faith.

Except that chrstianity explicitly declares the Torah to be a "law of death" and having been "nailed to the cross," to be no longer applicable. Meanwhile the "usurper" Orthodox Jews continue to observe that same Torah and its holidays while the "real Jews" switched to the Roman pagan calendar.

You also fail to note that the Book of Deuteronomy in Parashat Ki Tavo' (Deuteronomy 26:1-29:8) predicts an exile throughout the world when Jews will not have a Temple or be able to offer sacrifices (just before it says they will be fully restored). And if you will read that section without pre-conceived chrstian notions you will see that this punishment is not for "rejecting the messiah" but for deviating from the Torah--which your "true Jewish" chrstians proclaimed to have been in some sense repealed.

I have news for you: Temple Judaism never said the Torah was "repealed." Neither does Rabbinic Judaism. Yet chrstianity from day one has insisted the Torah is over and no longer to be followed. So just who is the successor of "Temple Judaism?"

You are making some very sinister arguments--"Stormfront" arguments--in your attempt to delegitimize Orthodox Judaism and Orthodox Jews and replace them with chrstian Arabs as "the original Jews." There is no way you cannot understand the implications of what you are saying.

When are you going to start calling Orthodox Jews "Khazars?"

44 posted on 11/19/2015 10:48:58 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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