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To: Trumpinator
Muslim Arabs can be singled out as invaders - and they were - but the Christian Arabs of Palestine/Israel have always lived there and predate the Muslim invasion. They are probably the native Jews mixed with native non Jews who converted to Christ and survived the Roman war. The Arab Christians of Bethlehem are probably the decedents of the same Jewish families who lived there in the time of Jesus.

There were non-Jewish chrstian Arabs before there were moslem Arabs. The Jewish population of Israel was devastated by the Romans who made no distinction between Orthodox Jews and chrstian Jews. Neither did the chrstians who followed them. When Rome became chrstian, Greek, Latin, Syrian, Arab, and other chrstians were able to safely migrate and take the place of the Jews who had formerly lived there. It's called the "diaspora" for a reason. Also during the Crusades the Jews were expelled and chrstian Arabs brought in to replace them.

Again, the original Jewish chrstians have a distinctive history. You have the Internet; look it up.

I get the hatred you have for Christians.

Oh, because I disagree with chrstianity I therefore "hate" chrstians? Where did you get that logic . . . from liberals? Do you "hate" moslems, sikhs, Jews, etc. just because you disagree with their religious beliefs? Of course you don't. Shame on you for pulling such a tactic. I understand completely that chrstians are raw from decades of unfair abuse from secularists, but my critique of chrstianity comes from the Right, not the Left.

According to Noahide laws - Muslims ironically are automatic Noahides(guessing you are one by your profile) but Christians are idolators and need to reject Christ to qualify.

Where did you ever get the idea that moslems are all honorary Noachides? What's next . . . that the Jews are behind Freemasonry????

Noachism is the one and only true religion for all non-Jews in all times and places and excludes the claims of all other religions, including islam. The creation of other religions after G-d had already spoken and gave His Laws is forbidden and all other religions exist in defiance of this prohibition. Plus one must acknowledge the Noachide Laws on the authority of the Torah given to Moses and Israel at Sinai, and must acknowledge the authority of the authentic Rabbinate. Moslems do not do this.

It is true that chrstianity is more problematic than islam because of its trinitarianism, its worship of a man, its dualism (the good G-d and evil "gxd" engaged in a war), its prayers to saints and angels, its "holy sacrifice," etc. Islam does none of those things and is in that sense more monotheistic and closer to Judaism. BUT--islam (unlike chrstianity) says the Torah is a forgery, thus one may teach Torah to chrstians but not to moslems.

It is not the fault of Jews or Judaism that chrstianity adopted these many heretical concepts, added to canonical scripture, rejected the authoritative tradition, etc. You have no need to be angry at them for this. Perhaps you should examine your own beliefs and see if they meet the criteria set by the Torah?

Also, I wonder if Israel Jewish animosity to Eastern Christians in Palestine/Israel has to do with the fact that those Christians are probably Jews who converted to Christ and are thus the original Jews the way Copts are the original Egyptians.

I'm sure you do. Unfortunately, all Jews and chrstians (not just the Eastern ones) have hated each other like poison from the beginning of the latter, and this is a fact regardless of whether or not we like it or it makes any sense to us. It's just what happened. The only exception to this rule is American-style Fundamentalist Protestants (the culture which molded me) and they are as unique and a-historical there as they are on all other issues. Believe me, even when I disagreed with them I used to have a great deal of respect for the ancient apostolic liturgical churches . . . until I learned more about them. I don't respect them any more.

PS: Again, I find it amazing how few Americans will own up to the fact that eastern Christians have suffered under American post Cold War policy - and like you just did - make it seem they have it coming for not being Southern Baptists or whatever.

By which you mean, pro-Israel policy? I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm waiting for the Third Temple.

If you were more honest you'd also say that Middle Eastern christians suffered under American Cold War policy, considering that Israel's chrstians were traditionally Communists.

35 posted on 11/19/2015 10:19:47 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be Worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
There were non-Jewish chrstian Arabs before there were moslem Arabs.

That is true. I did not say all Christians in the east were former Jews who converted. But these Arab Christians generally lived outside of the Jewish homeland - Nabataeans of Petra being such a tribe.

37 posted on 11/19/2015 10:28:21 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Where did you ever get the idea that moslems are all honorary Noachides? Maimonides. Maimonides' son, R. Abraham, who took his father's view to its logical conclusion when he argued that, although Islamic religious practices should not be imitated, strictly speaking they do not fall under the Biblical prohibition of following the ways of the Gentiles. This is so simply because "Muslims are monotheists who abhor idolatry."(I wikied that)

http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/maimonides-islam-good-christianity-bad-muslims-bad-christians-good/2013/11/15/

Muslims Bad, Christians Good Rabbi Moses Maimonides is our fundamental source for relating to Islam and Christianity, and his views are clear and occasionally unexpected.

43 posted on 11/19/2015 10:44:54 AM PST by Trumpinator (You are all fired!!! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!)
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