Official Notice of Dispute challenges 4 candidates' NH eligibility (Cruz, Jindal, Rubio, Santorum)

The Post & Email ^ | 11/13/2015 | Robert Laity

[ScottWalkerForPresident2016]

I wish to NOTIFY you that the bona-fides of four Republican Candidates to be President is hereby DISPUTED. It is claimed that the following persons do NOT meet the United States Constitutional requirement that one be a "Natural-Born Citizen" in order to be President under Article II, Sec. 1.

I am disputing the bona-fides of:

Marco Rubio - NOT an NBC. He was born in the U.S., however his parents were un-naturalized "permanent resident" Cuban citizens when he was born.

Ted Cruz - NOT an NBC. He was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother who may have natualized as a Canadian.

Bobby Jindal - NOT an NBC. He was born in the U.S. to parents who were un-naturalized citizens of Indiaa at the time of Bobby Jindal's bitth.

Rick Santorum - NOT an NBC. He was born in the U.S. to a father who was an Italian citizen not naturalized at the time of Rick Santorum's birth.

[Godebert]

In defining what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is, we do not seek to read into the Constitution that which was not intended and written there by the Framers. Despite popular belief, the Fourteenth Amendment does not convey the status of “natural born Citizen” in its text nor in its intent. Some add an implication to the actual wording of the Fourteenth Amendment by equating the amendment’s “citizen” to Article II’s “natural born Citizen.” But nowhere does the 14th Amendment confer “natural born citizen” status. The words simply do not appear there, but some would have us believe they are implied. But the wording of the Amendment is clear in showing that it confers citizenship only and nothing more.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

That a quote from a Supreme Court decision.

[Godebert]

Note the reference to Natural Law in the first sentence of our Declaration of Independence.

It is crystal clear that the Founding Fathers used the Natural Law definition of 'natural born Citizen' when they wrote Article II. By invoking "The Laws of Nature and Nature's God" the 56 signers of the Declaration incorporated a legal standard of freedom into the forms of government that would follow.

President John Quincy Adams, writing in 1839, looked back at the founding period and recognized the true meaning of the Declaration's reliance on the "Laws of Nature and of Nature's God." He observed that the American people's "charter was the Declaration of Independence. Their rights, the natural rights of mankind. Their government, such as should be instituted by the people, under the solemn mutual pledges of perpetual union, founded on the self-evident truth's proclaimed in the Declaration."

The Constitution, Vattel, and “Natural Born Citizen”: What Our Framers Knew

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Citizenship Terms Used in the U.S. Constitution - The 5 Terms Defined & Some Legal Reference to Same

"The citizenship of no man could be previous to the declaration of independence, and, as a natural right, belongs to none but those who have been born of citizens since the 4th of July, 1776."....David Ramsay, 1789.

A Dissertation on Manner of Acquiring Character & Privileges of Citizen of U.S.-by David Ramsay-1789

The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758)

The Laws of Nature and of Nature's God: The True Foundation of American Law

Publications of the Colonial Society of Massachusetts, Volume 20 - Use of The Law of Nations by the Constitutional Convention

[jpsb]

Not true, natural born citizen is the third type of citizenship required to stand for president. Other wise the constitution would not say

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Your opinion and the opinion of the Supreme Court are not in agreement.

[Godebert]

"Your opinion and the opinion of the Supreme Court are not in agreement."

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term 'natural born citizen' to any other category than 'those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof'.

[jpsb]

Obama was born in the USA (Hawaii) Cruz was born in Canada, see the difference? Both only had one American parent (mother).

[jpsb]

So all the children fathered by GIs in Vietnam, or Iraq and all the children of American Trophy wifes in Saudi Arabia or Iran are natural born citizens and eliglable to stand for president? Yassar Arafat had a child with his trophy wife can she run for president too?

If the Cruz is a NBC so is she

[jpsb]

Your going to have to post a link on that, mind you the Supreme court of late has made some truly mind boggling stupid decisions (same sex marriage, Kelso) so you might be right but my research indicates they have not ruled on the NBC question.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/169/649/case.html

Search for “contemplates two sources of citizenship” on the page. It will take you to the direct quote and citation.

Over and over we hear that the Supreme Court has never made a ruling on “Natural Born Citizen” as defined by Vattel, but if you read the decision and the dissent in this case, you will see that Vattel’s definition was at the core what this case is about.

Those in dissent argue for Vattel’s definition. Those who made up the majority decided against it.

Could the ruling be overturned? Sure, it’s rare but it does happen.

But it is a disingenuous ploy to declare that this hasn’t been handled by the court before.

[Fai Mao]

“Obama was born in the USA (Hawaii) Cruz was born in Canada, see the difference? Both only had one American parent (mother).”

Obama’s mother was 18 when he was born. To meet the qualification I believe that she would have had to have been in US territory for 4 years after her 16th birthday. She was too young to meet the qualification since she had been out of the country

[Yosemitest]

DUMMY, they law changes with CONGRESS and AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION.
GET A CLUE !
AND GET UP TO DATE !

[Yosemitest]

WRONG !

[Godebert]

In defining what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is, we do not seek to read into the Constitution that which was not intended and written there by the Framers. Despite popular belief, the Fourteenth Amendment does not convey the status of “natural born Citizen” in its text nor in its intent. Some add an implication to the actual wording of the Fourteenth Amendment by equating the amendment’s “citizen” to Article II’s “natural born Citizen.” But nowhere does the 14th Amendment confer “natural born citizen” status. The words simply do not appear there, but some would have us believe they are implied. But the wording of the Amendment is clear in showing that it confers citizenship only and nothing more.

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen

[Godebert]

The Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

[Anitius Severinus Boethius]

Your arguments are the exact same that the dissenting Justices in the Ark case used. They were not the majority in that decision.

[GregNH]

"Natural born citizen, or a citizen at the time of adoption of this constitution.".

There are two types of citizens listed in one sentence of the constitution. One is a citizen by nature and the only one who can be CIC. The other whee citizens by statute and where only grandfathered in until an NBC could qualify. To say that a citizen by some act qualifies for CIC is to ignore the word "natural", and no part of the constitution can be interpreted as to make any other part irrelevant.

[editor-surveyor]

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Cruz is natural born under the provisions stated in the 14th amendment.

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[dfwgator]

Right now if Winston Churchill was alive, I would vote him for President.

[editor-surveyor]

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>> “But the wording of the Amendment is clear in showing that it confers citizenship only and nothing more.” <<

If the conditions thereof were present at birth, it is “natural born” citizenship.

In Cruz’ case his mother definitely met the conditions at the time of his birth.

Troll on!