Posted on 11/12/2015 9:38:48 AM PST by jimbo123
Ben Carson is blasting fellow Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump's immigration proposals as outside the mainstream and impractical.
"I think they hurt Donald Trump in the long run," Carson said in an interview with the Washington Examiner published Thursday, referring to Trump's deportation plans.
"I think there are enough people who know that there are others in the race that are very reasonable. I don't think he necessarily is the representation of the Republican Party - far from it," Carson told the Examiner.
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"The people that are here, the 11.5 million people here, rounding them up and deporting them may sound good to some people," Carson told the Examiner on Wednesday. "But it's not pragmatic."
"It also affects the farming industry, the hospitality industry. So, you know, we have to be pragmatic as a nation. There's no reason that they should have to live in the shadows," Carson said.
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
“Turn off the spigot.”
There, my friend, is the solution.
85% of illegals are on public assistance in California. Is that “Pragmatic”, Ben?
There are programs in place to bring in migrant farm workers every year.
DID IT EVER occur to any of these people that if a real need for Mexican workers is shown, they can easily be brought in LEGALLY as there is obviously a huge supply of such workers in Mexico?
Legally, as in we make sure you are not a rapist, you pay fees and taxes, you leave when you are supposed to, we know who you are, you don’t steal Americans’ jobs.
Ben will soon be getting ripped and gutted by Ted re Ben’s kinder and gentle handling of illegals.
Ted Cruz Hits GOP Field Over Immigration After Debate
NBC News ^ | Nov 12 2015 | Benjy Sarlin
Posted on 11/12/2015, 8:58:13 AM by ConservingFreedom
KINGSTON, New Hamsphire — Texas Sen. Ted Cruz hit on immigration topics early and often Wednesday in his first public event a day after the Republican presidential debate, looking to sharpen contrasts with GOP rivals — including Senator Marco Rubio — on the contentious issue.
“Last night, you listened to one Republican after another who said, ‘Gosh, it would be mean to enforce our immigration laws,’” Cruz said at a Veterans Day town hall in New Hampshire.
“And I would point out, by the way, everyone talks about how compassionate it is to grant amnesty to 12 million people here illegally,” Cruz said. “They’re very compassionate, but it’s not very compassionate if I say, ‘I’m going to give away your job.’ That’s the opposite of compassion.”
Cruz’s aides have promised an increased effort to highlight policy differences with his rivals, and his remarks teed up a primary race increasingly headed for a collision over immigration.
Rubio — who co-authored and then renounced a failed bipartisan immigration reform bill in 2013 — is gaining momentum, and Donald Trump is still performing strongly while calling for a new “deportation force” to remove all undocumented immigrants in rapid order.
Dr. Ben Carson said at a Virginia event on Wednesday that he favored allowing otherwise law-abiding undocumented immigrants to earn legal status if they registered with the government and the border was secure.
Rubio and Cruz both currently advocate putting in place new border security measures before considering possible legal status for undocumented immigrants.
Asked by MSNBC whether there was any significant daylight between their positions, however, Cruz made clear that he wouldn’t let Rubio off the hook for his prior record.
“It is not complicated that on the seminal fight over amnesty in Congress, the Gang of Eight bill that was the brainchild of Chuck Schumer and Barack Obama, that would have granted amnesty to 12 million people here illegally, that I stood with the American people and led the fight to defeat it in the United States Congress,” Cruz said.
He added that nominating a clear “amnesty” opponent was essential to Republican chances for victory, since conservatives won’t turn out for a candidate they view as weak on the issue.
“In my view, if Republicans nominate for president a candidate who supports amnesty, we will have given up one of the major distinctions with Hillary Clinton and we will lose the general election — that is a path to losing,” Cruz said.
Tuesday’s Fox Business Network/Wall Street Journal debate featured an extended exchange over immigration in which Trump repeated his calls for a border wall and expanded deportations, while Ohio Gov. John Kasich and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush decried his proposals as inhumane, unworkable and politically counterproductive.
The topic comes up often at Republican events in New Hampshire, and Cruz
received several related questions. One woman asked about his prior support during the 2013 immigration debate for legislation expanding H1B visas for high skilled workers.
Cruz, citing recent reports of abuses by large companies to facilitate outsourcing, said he was working on a bill with Sen. Jeff Sessions — a leading GOP hawk on immigration — to “fundamentally change the H1B program.”
“These stories are horrifying, those stories are a serious abuse of the program,” Cruz said.
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Trump is not going to deport 11-30 million illegals. It is not going to happen. The courts would intercede and block him at every step of the way.
While not a Trump fan, here is what I think people are missing. That Trump puts this on the table and generally does not back away (though he is always talking about many coming back) he is setting the bar high. If Trump can’t actually deport them all, at least we know this is a priority for him and he would, hopefully, fight to get rid of as many illegals as possible. That he additionally argues that birthright citizenship should be revoked, again to endless criticism, also conveys that getting our arms around this illegal alien problem is at least a possibility in a Trump administration.
It’s like the start of a negotiation, and it is one that Trump takes endless flack for but sticks to it. If you’ve already conceded there is nothing we can do about the illegal problem, then it is a sure bet nothing will get done under your watch.
At minimum Trump should be able to build a wall, deport felons, enact Kate’s law and hopefully enforce eVerify which allows us to punish businesses for hiring illegals and drying up the very reason they come here. Sadly Trump attacked Romney for this position in 2012 as being too tough on illegals, but as “the Donald” is making this a cornerstone of his campaign hopefully he will take another look at using eVerify to achieve his goals.
So, again, not a Trump fan, but I support his immigration proposals and applaud the fact that, against heavy pressure, he has generally stuck to his guns on it.
Carson is weak. He has little to show up against Trump. So of course, he is going to say “Trump is wrong”. Carson should be reminded of how many ILLEGALS were deported under Harry Truman and Eisenhower. At the same time, saying ANYTHING that furthers the BREAKING OF FEDERAL LAW to support ILLEGALS should give Trump much fodder to use against the pro-amnesty candidates, including Bush and Rubio.
If Americans won’t work on the farms, why not make prisoners do it? They do a great job picking up garbage and cutting weeds in my community - under the watchful eye of the sheriffs.
Carson, a good man I’m sure, is more and more starting to remind me of a very nice upstanding Funeral Director.
“Turn the spigot off.”
Bingo!
Macro> secure the border.
What do you do when a plumbing leak is flooding your bathroom? Declare that it is really not a problem, ignore it and take a bath? Start mopping up?
No. First you close the water supply valves.
Micro> Deny foreigners here illegally welfare benefits and prosecute illegals’ employers
What do you do if you are receiving citations from the Health dept. and zoning commission because your house and yard are teeming with feral cats—because your wife is leaving out bowls of milk?
Decide it is not a problem and buy more milk? Determine that a comprehensive solution is to claim all the cats (like `Bubbles’), many suffering feline leukemia and a multitude of other problems, while reproducing themselves exponentially, and attempt to care for them all?
No. You call animal control.
You may think these comparisons are extreme but—excepting the pragmatic solutions given—as fantastic as it may seem they are precisely what the Rubios, Shumers, McCains, Obamas, and now Ben Carson, are proposing.
Wasn’t Carson out there handing out soccer balls to these invaders along with Glenn Beck?
Why is Carson still in the race?
Something Trump is all too aware of there Benny. Although Trump has tried to go the legal route and apply for H2-B visas to fill those positions when necessary.
Well DUH! That's exactly why he is the frontrunner Doc.
With Trump’s plan you may not deport 11.5 million but you at least deport what could be a significant number. With Carson’s, Bush’s, Rubio’s, etc., thinking you don’t even try and deport zero.
These candidates who say we “can’t” deport them, what they’re saying is, we can’t enforce our laws, we are helpless in the matter. Come one, come all, once you enter our borders, we are helpless to deport you! Immigrants, not Americans, decide who comes here. We can’t, we can’t, we caaaaaaan’t! Since when do Americans say “we can’t”? We didn’t used to be that kind of country. We put a man on the moon, built the best country in the world, and now our candidates are whining, wringing their hands, and saying, “we can’t.”
Well, we CAN!
That about sums it up...
Once employers are made to pay a price for hiring them and the sanctuary cities and states are also penalized then much of this nonsense will end pretty darn quickly, also employers who violate the H1B visa rules are also penalized, in a big way, will also help.
I agree with most of your post but I think that you are largely mistaken in this statement. A high percentage of illegal aliens can be deported with no courts blocking anything. Even the Obama administration which has no desire to deport anyone has been forced to deport over 2 million people because it is the law. You don't have to fight all that hard to just follow the law. If Obama was trying to even passively follow the law instead of trying to selectively enforce it... at least twice as many would have been deported during his administration.
Still the primary way that you get rid of illegal interlopers is not deportation; it to make their continued residence here untenable. This can be done just by enforcing laws we already have. So what Are the Penalties for Hiring an Illegal Immigrant?
"Hiring illegal immigrants can lead to many severe penalties, such as: Criminal and civil fines Loss of business licenses Most fines are broken down to the following:
First offenders can be fined $250-$2,000 per illegal employee.
For a second offense, the fine is $2,000-$5,000 per illegal employee.
Three or more offenses can cost an employer $3000-$10,000 per illegal employee.
A pattern of knowingly employing illegal immigrants can mean extra fines and up to six months in jail for an employer. This does not include “harboring†illegal immigrants, or employing ten or more illegal immigrants in one year. Harboring an illegal immigrant can lead to ten years of prison time.
Additionally, employers should be aware of the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act. Employers can be sued under the act for hiring illegal immigrants, and can face large settlement deals. The lawfully documented workers of the Zirkle Fruit Company recently settled a class action lawsuit brought under RICO. The suit alleged that their employer knowingly hired undocumented workers, driving down their wages.”
If these laws were being more than selectively enforced we wouldn't have an illegal alien problem. Instead we are giving them free housing, free food, free school, and free everything else largely based on the presence of anchor babies. And employers do not worry at all about hiring illegals because they have been allowed to make a mockery of the laws by accepting any false documentation they want and then claiming ignorance.
If the laws were enforced and especially if the liberal bed wetter interpretation of a 100 year old ruling that had nothing to do with anchor babies was finally challenged... we wouldn't have to deport 11-30 million illegals. Without jobs, free housing and welfare they would leave on their own. Even though they should pay for their own transportation out of the country... I personally am not opposed to the federal government providing them with a bus ride to a warm location somewhere a couple hundred miles south of the border. But that is just me because I like to help people.
Time for Trump to take him out and suffer the enmity of Carson's base.
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