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To: fortheDeclaration
fortheDeclaration: "And we aren't talking about what science thinks, we are discussing the fact that the Universe came into existance from nothing."

Of course we are talking about your misunderstandings of "what science thinks", since you obviously have no real clue about it, and so populate your imagination with endless false ideas.

What science really things about the origins of the Universe -- before the "Big Bang" -- is nothing but wild speculations.
The reason is: they have no confirmed evidence (aka "facts"), on which to base even a tentative testable hypothesis.
So, of course, they can & do speculate and right now those speculations run along the line of some kind of "multi-verse".

But, I'll repeat, "multi-verse" is just speculation, not even a testable hypothesis, much less a confirmed theory.

As for God's creating the Universe, that has long been a matter of philosophical (i.e., Aristotle) belief and religious (i.e., Genesis) faith, but it is not a scientifically observed "fact".

fortheDeclaration: "So, once again, you cannot get 'something' from 'nothing' unless you think there was always 'something' with no beginning?"

"Multi-verse" speculation eliminates the "something from nothing" problem, but then, Who created the multi-verse?

My belief is that God created the Universe, and there's no way for us to know what "raw material" (if any), He used.
Nor does it now matter to our mission of fulfilling the Plan (Logos) that was God's in the beginning.

173 posted on 11/19/2015 4:07:07 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
The belief in the creation of the Universe can only be based on faith, since science has nothing to say about it!

I don't care what science 'thinks' about anything, I only care about what they can prove as true.

And the origins of the universe and life is not one of them.

There couldn't be any 'raw material' that God used, since that would make it as eternal as God.

So, once again, stop posting your idiotic nonsense to me.

175 posted on 11/19/2015 3:06:52 PM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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