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To: BroJoeK
I never said science and the Bible were at war with one another, as long as science doesn't try to pretend it can prove things it cannot.

Christians accept adaptation within a species.

What isn't proved is the idiocy of macro evolution, the idea that something came from nothing and life came from non-life.

That is a faith, not science.

And 'science' is always claiming that it has proved some 'evolutionally' truth only to find it was wrong later.

But their premise is that there is no God so evolution has to be true.

149 posted on 11/15/2015 5:22:40 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration
fortheDeclaration: "I never said science and the Bible were at war with one another, as long as science doesn't try to pretend it can prove things it cannot."

But science never "pretends to prove" anything.
You might "prove" a mathematical theorem, but never a scientific theory.
Even observations are not "proved", they are confirmed, as are scientific hypotheses, which makes them confirmed theories.

So all your babble-talk about science not "proving" this or that is ridiculous, a theory like evolution is a confirmed hypothesis -- nothing more, nothing less.

fortheDeclaration: "Christians accept adaptation within a species."

Most Christians accept evolution theory as a description of how the Hand of God works in nature.
By definition of both words, "adaption" is evolution, period.

fortheDeclaration: "What isn't proved is the idiocy of macro evolution, the idea that something came from nothing and life came from non-life.
That is a faith, not science."

No, it's just your misunderstanding of real science.
Because you loathe it, you misunderstand it, and misrepresent it in every word you post about it.

In fact, science makes no claims that "something came from nothing," (except where something like it has been observed) but the word "life" is a matter of definition -- which organic processes are "alive" and which are just chemistry?
It's a matter of definitions -- bacteria are considered alive, while viruses are sometimes said to be just complex chemistry.
When, exactly does complex chemistry become "alive"?
Hard to say, but there are organisms in nature today on both sides of whatever line you wish to draw.

fortheDeclaration: "And 'science' is always claiming that it has proved some 'evolutionally' truth only to find it was wrong later.
But their premise is that there is no God so evolution has to be true."

Again, because you loathe science, you misunderstand it.
Science makes no claims -- none -- to "truth".
Truth is the subject of philosophers and theologians, not natural-science.
Science instead deals in observations, hypotheses and theories, period.
All can be falsified by better equipment, more careful procedures, new data and improved ideas.
That's what science is, it's how science works.

There's nothing equivalent to religious faith in science -- certainly not supposed to be.

156 posted on 11/15/2015 9:52:54 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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