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Sinai plane crash: 'External influence' caused crash
BBC ^ | minutes ago, 2 November 2015 | BBC

Posted on 11/02/2015 4:27:35 AM PST by WhiskeyX

The Russian airline Kogalymavia has blamed "external influence" for Saturday's Sinai plane crash which killed 224 people.

A senior airline official said: "The only reasonable explanation is that it was [due to] external influence."

An investigation by aviation experts using data from the aircraft's "black boxes" has yet to give its conclusions.

A Kremlin spokesman has warned against speculation as to the possible causes of the crash.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Egypt; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: 7k9268; 9268; airbusa321; egypt; eritrea; flight9268; iran; isis; kgl9268; kogalymavia; redsea; russia; sharmelsheikh; sinai; sinaiplanecrash; stpetersburg; suezcanal; yemen
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1 posted on 11/02/2015 4:27:36 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: WhiskeyX

Hmmm...

That hardly settles it, because the airline has a self-interest in blaming it on anyone but themselves.


2 posted on 11/02/2015 4:30:05 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance
Ukrainian air-to-air missile, no doubt.
3 posted on 11/02/2015 4:33:23 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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Based on the amount of distance between take-off and this point....they’d probably reached near 30,000 ft or more. So, a manpad missile won’t be in the final answer. It can only be four possible answers: massive engine failure, another aircraft or drone hitting it, a long-range missile, or a bomb onboard. It wouldn’t surprise me if it was a drone.


4 posted on 11/02/2015 4:36:49 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

Doubtful a drone at 30k+ feet.


5 posted on 11/02/2015 4:39:15 AM PST by twister881
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To: pepsionice
The Kremlin will be releasing a satellite photo (photoshopped of course) of the Ukrainian fighter jet firing on the airliner shortly.
6 posted on 11/02/2015 4:45:29 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: WhiskeyX

i think it is strange that ISIS were video recording the plane. Why? unless they knew something was going to happen to it.

or maybe they have some geeky ISIS members who plane watch at 31,000 feet inbetween the beheading videos they release.

i can see they might be watching for jets but filming a plane..seems strange to me at least.


7 posted on 11/02/2015 5:18:07 AM PST by Irishguy
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If ISIS has figured out a way to smuggle covert bombs onto an airplane, we’ll start seeing a lot more of these. Then we’ll know.

AQ has been trying for 20 years to come up with binary explosives/incendiaries that can be smuggled aboard a plane. That’s why we can only bring tiny shampoo bottles aboard in our carry-ons. One idea that was tried was to combine two chemicals disguised as shampoo etc while in the bathroom. One jihadist brings on A, the other B, and they are mixed in the rest room, causing a massive fire or explosion.

They might have perfected a technique like that.


8 posted on 11/02/2015 5:21:28 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Irishguy

Another clue: the plane broke up/exploded soon after reaching cruising altitude. This could indicate a barometric-pressure trigger in a covert bomb inside of checked luggage.


9 posted on 11/02/2015 5:22:46 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: twister881

Nope. 30k is easy for quite a few.


10 posted on 11/02/2015 5:30:38 AM PST by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Freeport

Not for manpads.

The best, the latest Stinger missiles, can get to about 26,000, The best Russian does around 22,000 feet.

There are definitely AAW missile systems that can get to 30,000 feet, but not man portable ones.

IMHO, a bomb seems most likely at this point. But the others have to be explored.


11 posted on 11/02/2015 5:35:43 AM PST by Jeff Head (Semper Fidelis - Molon Labe - Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Freeport

im not very familiar with the details of shoulder fired weapons, but would there be a visible trail as it streaked towards the plane? again just an honest question...


12 posted on 11/02/2015 5:36:23 AM PST by Irishguy
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To: Jeff Head

I trust your judgement on these matters Jeff.

Do we know for certain what the altitude of the airliner was.

OAN is reporting that it came apart in flight and was not intact when it hit the ground.


13 posted on 11/02/2015 5:49:04 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: WhiskeyX

Given where the plane’s demise occurred, I’ll be interested to see what the Israelis have to contribute. Surely they had radar or other types of surveillance over that airspace.


14 posted on 11/02/2015 5:49:29 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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To: pepsionice

The BBC news report mentioned there had been previous tail damage from a bad landing, but the Russians insist the damage had been repaired. If they are wrong, a malfunction in the tail could perhaps have caused the aircraft to dive until the stresses exceeded the design specifications and disintegrated the aircraft with a separation of the tail section.


15 posted on 11/02/2015 5:50:20 AM PST by WhiskeyX
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To: The_Victor

Sinai Nazi Banderites.


16 posted on 11/02/2015 5:51:12 AM PST by Justa
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To: WhiskeyX

If ISIS made the mistake of pi$$ing of Putin they had better check their collective six’s ‘cause Putin ain’t no Obama liberal pansy.


17 posted on 11/02/2015 5:59:03 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Justa

Broken tail would give pilots a few seconds to communicate emergency

Mount Sinai is 7500 ft...could this equate to a closer to a 23k manpad range?


18 posted on 11/02/2015 5:59:54 AM PST by lancium
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To: lancium

Interesting. Did the plane fly over Mt. Sinai?


19 posted on 11/02/2015 6:08:30 AM PST by citizen (America is-or was-The Great Melting Pot. JEB won't even speak American in his own home. NO Bush!!)
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To: Jeff Head

http://feraljundi.com/537/weapons-the-9k132-grad-p-rocket/

ISIS, nee Al Qaeda in Iraq, used these for anti-aircraft fire in Iraq. They’d line up near a Navigation beacon and fire at approaching aircraft.


20 posted on 11/02/2015 6:20:15 AM PST by Justa
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