Posted on 10/20/2015 7:19:05 PM PDT by markomalley
Salon is scared of a girl. Okay, I’m scared of this girl too, but for a completely different reason. According to Salon, though Rousey is a woman and has become one of the most dominant athletes in any sports, male or female, she shouldn’t automatically be considered a role model on that basis. Because…wait for it…transphobia:
**WARNING: EXPLICIT LANGUAGE**
“While Rousey is all people say she is (and more) athletically, outside of martial feats, her role model status is questionable. First, Rousey has a history of highly transphobic remarks and flat-out ignorance when it comes to trans athletes. In 2013, when UFC fighter Matt Mitrione made offensive comments about transgender MMA fighter Fallon Fox, calling her a “lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak,” the New York Post asked Rousey for her thoughts on Mitrione’s words. Rousey said he expressed himself “extremely poorly” and that she could “understand the UFC doesn’t want to be associated with views like that.” But in that same interview, Rousey didn’t exactly demonstrate a predilection for sensitivity. “She can try hormones, chop her pecker off, but it’s still the same bone structure a man has,” Rousey said about Fox. “What if she became UFC champion and we had a transgender women’s champion? It’s a very socially difficult situation.”
It’s only a “socially difficult” situation thanks to people like Rousey. Earlier this year, Rousey tried softening her words — though not changing her opinion — in an interview with the Huffington Post. “From what I’ve read, it seems if like you’ve already gone through puberty as a man, even if you really want to rid yourself of those physical advantages, I just don’t think science is there yet.”
Rousey studied the wrong “science,” because claims of supposed transgender superiority in athletics are categorically false and have zero scientific backing.”
Zero scientific backing of transgender superiority you say? Okay, well let’s ask someone who has actually felt the power of a female fighter and a transgender fighter, and see what they say.
Here’s what MMA fighter Tamikka Brents had to say after suffering a fractured orbital socket and a concussion at the hands of transgender fighter Fallon Fox:
“I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right,” she stated. “Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch…
“I still disagree with Fox fighting,” Brents stated. “Any other job or career I say have a go at it, but when it comes to a combat sport I think it just isn’t fair. At least not until we have more scientific proof that it is or isn’t fair. More research is needed for sure. Like I said, I am not a doctor, I can only say my opinion and I don’t believe that she should be allowed to fight other women. If it were strictly BJJ or wrestling or something like that sure, but MMA is a completely different sport.”
Hmm. Could it be that “his grip was different” because his gender was different? Apparently concussions and fractured orbital sockets aren’t science.
But that’s not the only thing that bothers Salon:
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“But her insensitive musings go beyond transmisogyny and transphobia. This summer, Rousey decried what she called a “do-nothing b*tch”:
“I have this one term for the kind of woman that my mother raised me to not be and I call it a ‘do-nothing b*tch.’ The kind of chick that just, like, tries to be pretty and be taken care of by somebody else. That’s why I think it’s hilarious, like, that people like say that my body looks masculine or something like that. I’m just like, listen, just because my body was developed for a purpose other than f*cking millionaires doesn’t mean it’s masculine. I think it’s femininely badass as f*ck. Because there’s not a single muscle on my body that isn’t for a purpose. Because I’m not a do-nothing b*tch.
Being proud of your body is great. Burying other women because they have a different body than yours is not. As Alanna Vagianos noted in the Huffington Post, Rousey’s DNB speech is “certainly not empowering, and it certainly does nothing to combat the large issues that create a society where athletic bodies like Rousey’s are judged as less than.”
Wha? I thought libs didn’t want women to just “try and be pretty, to be taken care of by somebody else?” I thought libs wanted women to be self-sufficient, with an identity that wasn’t dependent on a man? Has their anger and rage at Ronda Rousey’s refusal to kiss the transgender ring contorted them into a rear-naked choke of stupid? To the point where they’re actually contradicting their own feminist talking points in order to shame her into wearing their militant feminist crown?
Yep.
lol. Sounds like you’ve maintained if you’ve done 20 years of it.
I’m a disaster in the rebuilding stage at 47.
Hey, we’re almost the same age :)
We can make comebacks like George Foreman and then get rich with a grill!!! :)
Nope. I had a strong will to survive ;)
One of my buds was a lumberjack about 6 2ish, give or take and about 260. Ran a saw and a skidder. Big boy. He loved winding her up just to watch her spaz out. Used to call her “Taz” for obvious reasons. I kept telling him, “Don’t do it Ray, if she nails you you’re gonna know it.”
Of course that just made him do it more. So he finally got her good and pissed one day and she tagged him. After that he’d wind her up and run ;)
Ah to be young again...
I bet. I mean, who isn’t.. and who doesn’t?
just for a day...
Haha, let’s go for it!
you first!!!
Ronda Rousey .... slaughterhouse in a blouse !!!
She’s cool. Scary, but cool..
“Men have the unfair advantage of nature with their natural internally produced supply of steroids. It is a fact.”
Uh - skill has something to do with it. A large man with no MMA skills would be destroyed by Ronda.
Great chart, thanks.
>> But when a woman is at the absolute peak, she is, at best, only going to be 75% of what a male at his peak is going to be
According to your graph, a peak woman is stronger than what looks to be at least 80% of males.
She’s well-rounded awesome.
“I can’t keep up with all the labels
I’m a guy and I like to put my wingus into a girl
And THAT is probably what will get me booted from FR
But if I said I .... never mind
I stand firm on the above”.
I have never heard the member in question to be called a “” but amen brother! Balls deep with a pretty girl!
Men love Rousey. She cleans up well.
“At my best in boxing, Rhonda could have probably beat me lol.”
Don’t kid yourself. A 200-lb male with training can devastate a smaller opponent with a single punch. It’s why they have weight classes in the combat sports.
Also, the smaller fighters are quicker. Quick is flashy. But size develops power.
If you look at women’s world records in track & field a good high school boy could beat them.
If normalized for height and weight, that may well be true. Think about Ms. Rousey...she is probably at the peak of what a woman of her size and weight can probably be. Kind of the Rob Gronkowski or JJ Watt of women, the peak of Everest, so to speak.
If you were to take a distribution of men ranging from the bottom tail to the top tail in strength on some uniform test she probably would rank right at better than 75% of the men you took, if they were the same height and weight.
Remember, though, she is at the end of the top tail of the women’s graph. There are very few like her up there, where there is still a huge population of men...25 times as many men!
The graph isn’t perfect, I don’t think, but all the assumptions I made can be found in accepted medical literature, and I have even seen them on sites that cater to women’s health. But I don’t know things like, is the curve a bell curve or asymmetrical, and if so, what is it shaped like? It might be narrower or broader above or below. I do believe the shape of the woman’s curve might actually be narrower and more asymmetrical just from observation, but that is speculation.
And it could also be true that males, when training hard and extreme, are capable in greater numbers of getting higher in the curve than any women can get no matter how hard they train. I just assume the relative shape of the curves is similar, but it might not be.
But the fact that at the median, women are about 25% less strong when adjusted for size and weight is not contested.
I disagree.
I am not talking about disparate skill sets. I am talking about strength. We can assume any man who trains to the apex of the physical peak as she has is going to have a 25% advantage in strength, and it will be absolutely no contest, if they both have a similar skill set.
I would readily accept that a 100 lb woman who is a 10th degree black belt in Tai Kwon Do will indeed kick the rear end of a 225 lb man who is not only far superior in strength level, but is also far superior in height and weight...if he is simply a weight machine trainer and in superb shape, but lacks her level of martial arts skills.
However, if he has any kind of skill set in martial arts approaching hers, it will be absolutely no contest.
Do you agree?
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