Posted on 10/19/2015 6:00:17 PM PDT by OddLane
Irwin Schiff died on Friday while in federal custody over charges connected with his refusal to pay taxes and his advising others to do so.
His public career began as a popularizer of small-government, Austrian-economics-influenced thought with a popular book mostly about the various ways he thought government actions of various sorts harmed citizens called The Biggest Con. He then shifted to become the most famous popularizer, over many books over decades, of the idea that no one legally owes income tax.
According to an obituary notice from his son Peter Schiff, who runs the firm Euro Pacific Capital and is a public advocate for Austrian-influenced economic ideas himself, his father's end was unnecessarily ignominious and cruel.
(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...
I believe the mess we’re in gets relieved in only one way.
That way is for a man like Trump to come in, get people back to work, increase the treasury receipts, cut government, cut welfare handouts, get immigration under control, not only stop the increases in the debt, but pay it down.
This can happen if we bring jobs back here and let a guy implement plans to get this nation back on track.
We can pay this national debt down if we put people back to work, and it wouldn’t take as much time as people might think. With an increased income stream we might be able to actually pay down one trillion dollars per year.
As we return to a balanced budget, we move in other directions.
We start replacing the current Social Security with a privatized plan. That plan not only builds up a retirement plan, but saves us money on insurances and medicare related costs later in life.
Thus, we not only get the federal debt back under control, but we also move the unfunded mandates off the government’s books and back into the private sector.
That to me is how you responsibly return our nation back to good health.
Stopping the IRS in it’s tracks would cause a cataclysmic disruption globally >IMO.
When our national debt is balanced, and our unfunded mandates are privatized, taxes can and should be severely reduced.
That’s where I’m coming from.
I don’t disagree with that. If you’ll read down a few posts to my response to PGR88, you’ll see more of what I am talking about.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3350517/posts?page=21#21
“The income tax is bad because it is oppressive to all and discriminates particularly against those people who prove themselves most adept at keeping the wheels of business turning and creating maximum employment and a high standard of living for their fellow men.” “I believe that a better way to raise revenue not only can be found but must be found because I am convinced that the present system is leading us right back to the very tyranny from which those, who established this land of freedom, risked their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to forever free themselves.”
- Thomas Coleman Andrews (Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 1953-1955)
During President Ronald Reagan’s tenure in office he found out with his Grace Commission Report in 1984 that
“With two thirds of everyone’s personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt and by federal government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services [that] taxpayers expect from their government.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grace_Commission
Schiff was and still is correct.
If a large enough minority or a majority risked some jail time, the PTB wouldn’t run roughshod over us 24/7 365.
He didn’t want to pay taxes and led others down that path to their destruction. All of his justification was based on chicanery and voodoo.
He was a shyster.
Thank you for your response.
I haven’t studied Schiff’s arguments.
I have addressed this situation in several ways. Here they are:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3350517/posts?page=16#16
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3350517/posts?page=21#21
His last defense was that his belief that income taxes were illegal was a result of mental illness.
PWN3D!
I’m going to go ahead and let my former comments stand.
I’m not happy about what has taken place.
We elect these idiots. We can’t say we aren’t partly to blame.
George Bush doubled our national debt on his watch alone.
He was our guy. Almost gives me a stroke to acknowledge he was a Republican even in name only.
BTTT.
Not whether you should go into a federal courthouse and try to defeat them-regardless of whether or not you're right, you'll lose that battle.
However, to say that any government has the right to confiscate your wealth and property is to concede its illegitimacy.
Thank you for posting that which directly answers his question:
” Let me ask you a question. What would happen to this nation if the federal government couldn’t collect one dime in income taxes?”
Next, I would advise him getting a copy of “ The Creature from Jekyll Island” after perusing that he would understand the debt.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Creature-Jekyll-Island-Federal/dp/0912986212
The Bushes are RINOs and always have been. They fooled enough people to win some elections, but always seemed to commit Democratic tactics such as raising taxes, supporting amnesty for illegals, starting wars, and generally expanding government. They are new world order globalists and party affiliations don’t mean anything to them. Ever notice how we always get the worst Democratic presidents after a Bush has been in office?
If we stopped paying the interest on the national debt there would big immediate big consequences that would bring down the whole financial house of cards.
T. Coleman Andrews ran for President in 1956. He had tobe written in in most states. My mother voted for him.
Save A Patriot was another organization that advocated a similar position. (Check out Section 871.) A Federal court issued an injunction effectively neutering a lot of their most important work.
His position evolved to mostly arguing (among other things) that by his reading of the true legal definition of “income,” neither you nor I had any, “income” properly defined according to his reading of court decisions and statutes being only corporate profits.>>
Brian does a very bad article reason mag is not what it used to be.
However Irwin is mostly right. paychecks are not income. sorry big gvt.
pay check is not income. research it.
hey don’t have to pay income tax.>>>>
you do not know the distinction between income and wages and please read glenshaw glass..............
yes believe what the scotus defines as income then pay your tribute. they define who is a person — kill babies, etc, they define what is marriage. thanks for being a outspoken scotus socialist.
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