Roar of the crowd: Many unhappy at lack of Twin Peaks transparency, ...

Plenty of folks responded by Facebook to a Sept. 30 Trib editorial that questioned the notion of the state’s helping local authorities pay for expenses arising from the deadly May 17 Twin Peaks shooting, particularly given the ongoing lack of transparency by those local authorities. A selection of the comments:

Tonya Hilcher Gonzales: Waco should not get a dime from the state for the mess they created. Over four months later, they still won’t release the ballistics report. Four months later and we still don’t know how many of the nine were murdered by Waco police. I hope everyone remembers that the current grand jury has a Waco police detective for a grand jury foreman. No help from the state!

Laurie Claytor Jahns: Considering the fact that a Waco Police Department officer is the grand jury foreman, I have to wonder if evidence (before a grand jury) will matter. So far everything points to law enforcement (being guilty), not the parties unlawfully arrested, detained, shot, murdered, etc. If they are so transparent, why can’t they come up with more than “out-of-town thugs” (to describe the bikers)?

Marc George: No outside agency should pay a dime. The investigation has been shrouded in secrecy and lies. They slandered a lot of people, then put a gag order so that nobody could defend their name. Nine people died with about 20 wounded and the authorities are playing games.

Traci Peachy Cromwell: The people of Waco voted the district attorney, city council, etc., into place and they all had a part in the decision-making that day; therefore, the city should carry the burden, not the state. If the citizens of Waco say they support their district attorney and law enforcement, then they should have no problem with the cost. The state should use the money to do a full investigation of why there are no indictments yet and the lack of transparency. They should then decide on their next steps based on the outcome of the investigation.

Edgar Gifford: It is a god-like feat to instantly know what happened with so many “uniformed” bikers at that moment of truth. When you hear, in a single incident, how every witness has a different story and viewpoint, imagine then hundreds of witnesses (in this instance). I believe Waco police did as good a job as humanly possible. Blaming the police for what the district attorney’s office deems legally prudent seems crazy.

Marc Irving: How many times has Waco Police Sgt. Patrick Swanton changed his story?

Rhonda Elder: No release of information? Then no state funds for the police for their hiding evidence. My son Matthew Mark Smith had a beautiful heart. People loved him and he always was there for his boys. My son respected the mothers of his boys and I taught him to stand up for what you believe. My son was shot in the back — only a coward would do that. We have kept quiet about this, but it’s starting to really anger me. Show the video now.

Jerry Couger: Our family lost a loved one that terrible day. He also was a good man and wonderful father who missed seeing his daughter graduate, get two awards and a scholarship by 12 days because he was murdered. Who fired those shots? Who put up cameras in advance? Who placed law enforcement and snipers in place before bikers arrived? Who won’t release videos? No, don’t spend a dime of state taxes to help those who murdered our loved ones. This is hard enough on the families as is and we sure don’t need to feel we are aiding the ones who killed our family members. Let Waco pay. And let us see all of your evidence.

Robert Rutherford: Like many, I watched this go down on TV; unlike many, I found it hard to believe hundreds of such bikers were headed to Waco after the shooting (as news bulletins insisted). So I drove to Waco, and drove and drove, and did not see one biker. Yet still such reports came in. So I watched, listened. My conclusion: The city of Waco and all agencies associated with it should pay tenfold to the victims who did not fire a shot, who came in peace. From what I see, that’s 99 percent of them. Since the Department of Public Safety was there — yes, Texas should get the checkbook out and everyone involved on a local level should be fired and charged.

Theresa Evans: I find it hard to believe all these bikers came to Waco for just a drink and meeting with more weapons than people and even more loaded weapons in their vehicles. Twin Peaks was warned not to hold the meeting but did anyway. They knew weeks before the incident that this might turn out as it did. Twin Peaks should pay. I don’t think all bikers should have been arrested but you are guilty by association. You choose to hang with people who do bad things, then you get the same rep as those people.

Paul Barron: Waco and McLennan County own this debacle. Big Brother doesn’t need to bail them out on the taxpayer dime.

Lisa Dickison: One can support law enforcement and think this situation was not handled the way it should be handled.

“...These scumbags deserve what they give. Stretch em.”
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Look, you despicable statist worshipper, why don’t you go to Waco and tell the widows and children of the slain bikers that they deserve what they got. And, based upon the amazing lengths the authorities are going to prevent the release of information, even you (if you were being honest...a quality you possess in small quantitie) have to admit there a good likelihood that they were shot down by BATF and Waco LEOs.

And, while you’re there, tell the wives and children of the 177 bikers who the Waco authorities have caused (and, yes, they are responsible) to lose their jobs and suffered other financial calamities that THEY deserve it.

Again, IMHO you are despicable.

Like I posted “If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime”.

Now quit crying for those jerks that started this mess.

As to those arrested that may have had little to do with the actual shootout, the old saying “If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas”, is so appropriate. The effects on their families and their ‘jobs’, was an important thing for them to consider, beforehand. Their lack thereof clearly demonstrates an immature lack of critical thinking on their part.

Its quite clear from all the teeth gnashing, that its impossible to articulate a viable defense for bike gangsters in general and the particularly for the biker gangs involved with their petty ‘territory’ Waco shootout dispute they stupidly assumed they could get away with.

Your childish personal attacking anyone who dares disagree with what you try to promote, tells the whole world a great deal about you and your communication disability.

“...Now quit crying for those jerks that started this mess....”
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Well, I’m not crying for the BATF, their local Waco puppets and their undercover operatives who started this mess. Are you crying for them? They seem to be doing an effective job of covering up their major league “F*ck Up”; although that cover-up won’t last forever absent actual destruction of evidence. Of course destruction of evidence would simply be another crime they would commit and put them in further jeopardy.

“...the old saying “If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas”, is so appropriate. The effects on their families and their ‘jobs’, was an important thing for them to consider, beforehand. Their lack thereof clearly demonstrates an immature lack of critical thinking on their part....”
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Do you think the BATF officials & agents, their local Waco government supporters and their undercover operatives considered the potential effects on their families and their ‘jobs’ before they undertook this provocation operation gone bad?

Do you think the BATF officials & agents, their local Waco government supporters and their undercover operatives had considered the potential effects on their families and their ‘jobs’ if and when all the information comes out.... and that may well explain why they are engaging in every possible action to keep that information from coming out?

Only an idiot would give any serious thought to your outlandish contention that the Gubmit, as sorry as it often is, instigated the rival biker gang shootout. It MUST HAVE BEEN COPS WITH MIND CONTROL.......... that made em do it.

To the Waco cops credit they had some pretty good intel on these outlaw gangs and by their presence and intervention most likely saved a significant number of lives that day. What would make you think your bike gangster heros would have said ‘well that’s enough” when they finally ran out of ammo and would not have taken up the ballpeen hammers on anyone left twitchin?

Keep digging your hole.

“...It MUST HAVE BEEN COPS WITH MIND CONTROL.......... that made em do it....”
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My suspicion is that the only “mind control” that the “cops” needed to exercise was using the nerves connecting their own brains to their own trigger fingers. Do you ever wonder why “they” are so hesitant to release the ballistic reports and the huge mountain of video they have?

“...the Waco cops ... by their presence and intervention most likely saved a significant number of lives that day. What would make you think your bike gangster heros would have said ‘well that’s enough” when they finally ran out of ammo...”
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So, it’s YOUR contention that among the dead (and wounded) bikers were the shooters of the other dead (and wounded) bikers. And that the “cops”, by shooting down these “biker shooters” saved many lives that day? And that this contention will be supported by the ballistic reports and the video evidence that the “cops” are so intent on not being released?

If that is your contention, and it sure seems that way to my plain-thinking mind as I read this post of yours, can you say so now for the record? When the evidence is eventually released as a part of civil suit discovery, then we’ll know whether that contention was accurate or JUST WISHFUL THINKING on your part.

“...If that is your contention, and it sure seems that way to my plain-thinking mind as I read this post of yours, can you say so now for the record?...”
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In the interest of intelligent dialogue and helping with my struggles to understand your “position”, are you going to answer the above question and my other questions in posts 84, 85, 87 & 88 above?

I know its really difficult to comprehend logic and common sense with a the IQ of a knuckle dragging bike ganger, but there are only two ways to look at a situation in which you were not there to witness the situation and have very very little factual information by which to base broad conspiracies or you could take a more intelligent position to refrain from jumping to wide-eyed assumptions and wait to see how all this plays out when actual hard evidence is made public.

Just for you, simply and frankly, the cops did not instigate the shootout, they reacted to it as LEO should react and if a 1 in 100 million chance they did somehow get the bikers to pull out their guns and blaze away, no one will ever know it.

Thus your time will be better spent learning the lessons those at the shootout learned in a very hard way. Otherwise you might continue the poverty of going through life trying to emulate the worst in society.

“In the interest of intelligent dialogue and helping with my struggles to understand your “position”, are you going to answer the above question and my other questions in posts 84, 85, 87 & 88 above?”
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If the past is any judge of the future, the answer is no.
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X-spurt -— Well, well, well.... it appears (from the absence of appropriate responses from you) that, for the same reason the BATF and their local Waco government supporters are fighting like hell to NOT release enlightening information/evidence, you are not interested in answering those perfectly legitimate questions. The evidence that the Waco authorities are feverishly withholding would, with near certainty, show that their description of what happened the day of the most recent Waco holocaust IS NOT THE TRUTH. And you likely understand that YOUR answers to those questions (i.e., 84, 85, 87 & 88) would reveal the shallowness, emptiness and falseness of your “arguments”. Instead, you wish solely to pontificate and endeavor to somehow defend the actions of the statists by DEFLECTION.

X-spurt, you are a hollow human being and are drifting about in the darkness of your ignorance and lack of discernment. And that is NOT an “attack” ... it’s an observation based upon your posts regarding this latest Waco holocaust.

“...Just for you, simply and frankly, the cops did not instigate the shootout, they reacted to it as LEO should react...”
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Which begs for another question...did you come by this “knowledge” by reviewing the videotapes with their individual timelines synchronized to give you an accurate picture of the happenings on that day?

LOL, there a thousand comedians starving to death and you guys are trying to be funny.

Like them ol B-17 pilots used to say. “you know your over the target when the flak is thickest”.

Good luck with the fantasy world.

You’re firing blanks...you are an empty suit unable to and fearful of answering a handful of straightforward questions.

Go back to your boot polishing and licking. We don’t want unreliable folk such as you around us when it’s time to stand up to the tyrants and oppressors. YOU can’t even see them when they’re staring you in the face.

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