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Figures it might have some relevance for Syria and beyond.....
1 posted on 10/06/2015 6:59:21 AM PDT by Trumpinator
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This is rewriting history.
The Soviets got their ass kicked in Afghanistan.


2 posted on 10/06/2015 7:03:05 AM PDT by Artemis Webb (I will not worship at the alter of Diversity.)
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Our State department was sending the Mujahedeen junk (WWI rifles, etc.) at first. Occasionally, they’d get lucky from a mountain. Eventually Reagan, or someone close enough to him, found out what was going on. Once the Afghanis got their mitts on Stingers, the Soviets were losing about one chopper a day. Very asymmetrical warfare.

Reagan’s genius was giving the Afghanis the means to fight their own war, to protect their own land and people.


3 posted on 10/06/2015 7:03:17 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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“almost won” = lost


4 posted on 10/06/2015 7:03:20 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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Then the soviets never had to fight a war under Obama’s ridiculous Rules of Engagement.


5 posted on 10/06/2015 7:03:31 AM PDT by skeeter
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If you take what the writer says at face value, the Russians “lost” Afghanistan pretty much in the same way we “lost” Vietnam. Won most every battle. Decimated the enemy. Lost the political/propaganda war.


6 posted on 10/06/2015 7:06:33 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Polling: The art of determining how effectively the people were fooled by your last poll.)
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We nearly won Vietnam too.


8 posted on 10/06/2015 7:08:40 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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And we almost won Vietnam if we hadn’t decided to lose it. Soooo, the authors point is what, exactly? Is it that if the Soviets had more time they would have been able to kill every man, woman and child in Afghanistan leaving nothing but earth? Or is it that somehow the Soviets were going to be able to ramp up operations in Afghanistan while trying to keep up with the Reagan military buildup of the U.S.?

Once again we see the revisionist exercise of “history in a vacuum.”


9 posted on 10/06/2015 7:09:41 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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Most important, the Soviet war demonstrated that the Afghan guerrillas were not invincible and that well-designed counterinsurgency operations can inflict grave damage on, and spread turmoil among, the enemy.

Nonsense. No people are labeled "not invincible" until they are actually "vinced". Close REALLY doesn't count in warfare (unless we are discussing the use of hand grenades and large bomb payloads).
10 posted on 10/06/2015 7:09:55 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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LA Times is engaging in revisionist history. It’s well documented and accepted that shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles provided by the CIA to the Mujahideen enabled the precision for shooting down Soviet transport helicopters in mountainous terrain. Because the Mujahideen could exist indefinitely and plan attacks on villages and towns where Soviet forces camped, and then run back to mountainous regions for cover, there was no way the Soviets could ever win the peace.


12 posted on 10/06/2015 7:11:27 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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The Soviets did almost win Afghanistan.

And this was cost.

During the nine years of fighting, more than 2.5 million Afghans (mostly civilians) were killed or maimed; millions more were displaced or forced into exile. By contrast, 14,453 Soviet troops were killed, an average of 1,600 a year.

16 posted on 10/06/2015 7:14:24 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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INteresting post. Of the almost-wons of history, the most intriguing for me is that the colonials not only almost won but (if it hadn’t been for desertions on one side and a very experienced British commander on the other) should have won the Battle of Bunker Hill.

One of my two favorite books of military history:

http://www.amazon.com/Now-We-Are-Enemies-Bunker/dp/0984225668


19 posted on 10/06/2015 7:18:18 AM PDT by edwinland
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I remember the number 70,000 dead Russian soldiers in Afghanistan. That’s worse than our Vietnam.


21 posted on 10/06/2015 7:20:27 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son...)
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,,,,,, pure bull$h!+ !!!


23 posted on 10/06/2015 7:21:20 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 ()-: ISIS is Islam without the lipstick :-()
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...horseshoes and hand grenades...

The only question worth asking is whether the Russian military has a Creighton Abrams-style general officer who has put the army /military back together. And if so, who is he?

Balkans intervention = Grenada.

Georgia = Panama

Ukraine = Desert Shield

Syria = Desert Storm (Are the ready for prime time? Prove it.)

Putin is carving out a nice little defensible enclave for his client Assad. Crimean naval base has been recovered, Syrian/Mediterranean naval base is next. Business is business.


24 posted on 10/06/2015 7:24:04 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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Hey they came in second! That’s pretty good, right?


48 posted on 10/06/2015 7:52:02 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Washington DC has become the enemy of free people everywhere)
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One thing being in Afghanistan did, was to stop the Russians from invading Poland in 1980, when Jaruzelski begged the Soviets to intervene to stop Solidarity, the Soviets told them they could not do it because of their war in Afghanistan.


49 posted on 10/06/2015 7:52:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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They must have been getting ready to break out the horseshoes because the “almost” of the hand grenades just wasn’t cutting it.


56 posted on 10/06/2015 8:06:04 AM PDT by gnarledmaw (Hive minded liberals worship leaders, sovereign conservatives elect servants.)
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I is 20/20 hindsight, but we should have let them win.
We helped the Mujahadeen, they won, the Soviets left. We let Trascanistan ferment for a couple of decades under them, and Voila! 9/11.
I can’t wait for the bill from Iraq and Syria to come due in 20-30 years.


58 posted on 10/06/2015 8:06:48 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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Yeah, and the United States “almost won” in Vietnam. The United States never lost a major campaign, and the Tet Offensive was a disaster for the Viet Cong militarily.


61 posted on 10/06/2015 8:13:34 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /Sarc tag necessary?)
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Seems I remember Clinton selling the mooslems Stingers.


64 posted on 10/06/2015 8:24:10 AM PDT by Harold Shea
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