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Ben Carson wants a national database of potential mass killers
americanthinker.com ^ | 10/6/2015 | M. Catharine Evans

Posted on 10/06/2015 6:32:08 AM PDT by rktman

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To: 9YearLurker

most losers are doing it to make a name for themselves, to be remembered... top the list...

if you can’t see the difference... no hope for you...


101 posted on 10/06/2015 3:07:14 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: rktman

That “the good doctor” could possibly even entertain such a thought should be grounds for immediate dismissal as a potential nominee by ALL gun owners. Run away from this man! Run fast!


102 posted on 10/06/2015 3:40:59 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: rktman
Their contrasting campaign slogans explains their appeal...


103 posted on 10/06/2015 3:42:47 PM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: gallandro1
Where in that bill does it say that people can lose their gun rights without being adjudicated incompetent by a court? It doesn't. In fact the bill contains provisions that prevent that. To claim that it's the same as what Dr. Carson is proposing is untrue.

Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association's Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA) today announced its support for legislation that would protect the constitutional rights of millions of veterans and social security recipients. The Mental Health and Safe Communities Act, sponsored by U.S. Senator John Cornyn, contains provisions that would stop the Obama administration's efforts to deny millions of veterans and social security recipients their Second Amendment rights without due process.

"The NRA is fighting to stop the Obama administration from denying millions of veterans and social security recipients their Second Amendment rights for no other reason than they want assistance in managing their financial affairs," said Chris W. Cox, NRA-ILA executive director. "We thank Senator Cornyn for his leadership in standing up to the Obama administration and introducing legislation that will take meaningful steps toward fixing America's broken mental health system.”

President Obama's Department of Veterans Affairs has denied more than100,000 veterans and dependents their Second Amendment rights because they use a “fiduciary” to manage their benefits. Veterans who the agency determines need help administering their compensation are then labeled "mental defectives" and reported to the National Instant background Check System (NICS), which prohibits them from purchasing or possessing firearms. The process of assigning a fiduciary does not require the VA to consider whether a veteran poses a danger to himself or others.

In addition, the Social Security Administration announced that it is moving forward with a proposal that would strip the Second Amendment rights of more than 4.2 million people, by reporting social security recipients who use a “representative payee” to help them manage their benefits to the NICS.

Details of the legislation include:

The bill will stop the Obama administration’s Social Security Administration and other agencies from defining as “prohibited persons” those who meet arbitrary criteria such as having a representative payee assigned to their account.

•The bill will stop the Obama administration’s Veterans Administration (VA) from throwing veterans into NICS simply for having a fiduciary assigned to their account.

•Veterans who have been swept into NICS under previous VA rules will be given the opportunity to have their case reviewed in a full hearing. Requires a specific finding that the veteran is a danger to self or others. Veterans who are not found to be a danger will have their rights restored and will be removed from NICS.

•Requires that real adjudications take place before an individual can be determined a prohibited person under federal law. Full notice, hearing, the right to participate, and the right to counsel are required.

•Provides funding for the states to forward records of mental health adjudications which meet the new due process requirements outlined in the bill.

•Recognizes state orders restoring the firearms rights of individuals under state law.

•Requires AG to remove individuals from NICS in cases where rights have been restored or procedures failed to provide adequate due process protections, as with the VA program.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150805/nra-supports-legislation-to-stop-obama-administration-from-denying-constitutional-rights-of-millions-of-veterans-and-social-security-recipients

104 posted on 10/06/2015 4:36:02 PM PDT by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt, Last Man Standing.)
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To: gallandro1

Okay, well, thanks. WaPo 2012 article. WAS there a link in the American Thinker article and I just missed it. It’s still a bad idea that violates the 2A.


105 posted on 10/06/2015 6:27:17 PM PDT by KGeorge (Hell, no. We ain't forgettin'!)
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To: taxcontrol

I think there is a difference between murder (especially mass murder) aND being in a war self-defense situation.

I have no doubt that if provoked I would defend my family, and I could kill someone. I also wouldn’t call it murder. Murder is different than killing.

However, I have no doubt that I would never plan an attack on innocent people.


106 posted on 10/06/2015 6:31:48 PM PDT by luckystarmom
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To: basil

And just which darlings of the world would be charged with adding names to the list?

No thank you.


107 posted on 10/06/2015 10:00:17 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: luckystarmom

Your last sentence provides the key to understanding my position.

“... an attack on innocent people.”

All it takes is the individual to justify to themselves that the target group of people are no longer innocent. Guilt by association is a common tool / justification used to excuse mass murder. All Jews, all japs ... etc. The NAZIs did it to the jews, and to a lesser extent, the US did to the Japanese-Americans in the use of the internment camps. Many times native Americans attacked and massacred whites and vice-versa.

My pastor once told me that “Hurt people, hurt people”. Given enough hurt, people will often strike out and then justify their actions afterwords.


108 posted on 10/07/2015 6:07:44 AM PDT by taxcontrol ( The GOPe treats the conservative base like slaves by taking their votes and refuses to pay)
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