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He Watched Wolves Attack And Kill His Livestock, Could Do Nothing Because Of A Fed Court Ruling
Off the Grid News ^ | June 5, 2015 | Daniel Jennings

Posted on 10/05/2015 11:58:54 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: rey
Well, this mule seems to disagree.

Granted, it was a cougar, but still...

121 posted on 10/05/2015 10:35:18 PM PDT by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: SJackson

Hunting the UP for grouse, local hunters warned me to not shoot and kill a wolf in its tracks. Their advice was to gut shoot it and let it run off and die in the swamp. Their reasoning was that they didn’t kill it, they just scared it and it died of natural causes.


122 posted on 10/06/2015 6:42:51 AM PDT by damper99
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To: SJackson

Hunting the UP for grouse, local hunters warned me to not shoot and kill a wolf in its tracks. Their advice was to gut shoot it and let it run off and die in the swamp. Their reasoning was that they didn’t kill it, they just scared it and it died of natural causes.


123 posted on 10/06/2015 6:43:05 AM PDT by damper99
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To: SJackson
Borzoi, when hunting they use them in groups. In the past. Imagine the outrage if anyone used dogs to hunt wolves today.

Anyone coursing wolves with Irish Wolfhounds would be wise to have several in case they encounter a pack. An IW can easily handle a wolf one-on-one but not an entire pack. An IW is a more robust dog than the borzoi - taller and quite a bit heavier but not as fast or agile.

I wonder if it would be legal to course wolves in Idaho or Montana where it is legal to hunt them? Probably limited to harvesting them with a firearm or bow. I hear that strychnine works really well.

124 posted on 10/06/2015 7:53:02 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: Don W

The pictures are fake. You can see the rigor on the cat. Its legs are in the same relative position in every photo.

We have the bones of guard animals who have been killed on this property by lions and coyotes.

Sure, it can help but don’t count on it. The guard animal is a rather recent phenomenon and if it really worked, those who settled this country would have used them.

Tips:
The guard animal should be raised with what it is to protect.
You should have only one animal per herd/flock (If you have more than one then the loyalty is to each other, not the flock.)
There is no way a guard animal is going to work against a large number of predators.
Guard animals are a liability if a human trespasses. The old property laws are gone and you are liable if someone is hurt.


125 posted on 10/06/2015 8:10:41 AM PDT by rey
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To: Don W
I got an Irish Wolfhound as a pup in 1980 - he died in 1992 - still miss that dog. All the parents in the neighborhood knew the way to our house because all the kids would insist that any walks include a visit with the "horse dog." In his prime, he was 36 3/8" to the withers (measured with hound sticks) and 165 pounds.

I only saw the dog mad once. He was sneak attacked by a Labrador who cut the IW's nose. Within seconds the lab was in full submission with the IW over him displaying a full set of nasty looking teeth and the ugliest growl you've ever heard. The reversal in roles was like I had walked up behind Mike Tyson and sucker punched him. The only reason that the lab survived five seconds after initiating the attack was that the IW chose not to kill him. I and the lab and the IW all knew it was easily within the IW's capabilities. The IW was agitated for a minute or so and then returned to the big, old lollipop that he always was.

126 posted on 10/06/2015 8:37:08 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: SJackson
Ann Coulter in her new book describes illegals inhabiting our national parks to grow their marijuana. There are also missing people and unsolved murders taking place in the national parks.

So, wolves, illegals ... we got a problem Houston.

127 posted on 10/06/2015 10:50:06 AM PDT by Slyfox (Will no one rid us of this meddlesome president?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Farmers go out at night in groups quietly doing what they must.


128 posted on 10/06/2015 1:33:13 PM PDT by Bellflower (It's not that there isn't any evidence of God, it's that everything is evidence of God.)
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To: 43north

Wolves belong deep out in the wilderness not around civilizations.


129 posted on 10/06/2015 1:34:44 PM PDT by Bellflower (It's not that there isn't any evidence of God, it's that everything is evidence of God.)
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To: CommerceComet
Yes, and the groups, at least of Borzois were followed by hunters on horseback. Like hunting big foxes. Russians aren't Brits after all. My impression is that Irish Wolfhounds were flock protectors rather than hunters, but I could be wrong. And it's not that big a difference.

As to coursing, laws in most states are pretty specific as to what you can use dogs for. Birds aside, you can't use dogs to break deer, but I believe you still can some places in the south. You can use dogs for bear. I'd be surprised if they could be used for wolves, or even coyotes, anywhere.

130 posted on 10/06/2015 5:11:12 PM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: 5th MEB
how do the feds prosecute YOU if one of your animals kills a wolf?

Doubt they can. As long as you animals can't handle a firearm. And the dogs/donkeys/whatever don't have to respect legal seasons.

131 posted on 10/06/2015 5:13:17 PM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: Slyfox
While Ann is correct, while backpacking I can recall being warned off certain trails, or warned not to stray off them, for that reason. In the far west and Hawaii. When Ann was in elementary school. Big problem, but not new and I doubt, at least in those days, an issue of illegals.

On the other hand, I can think of large tracts of the southwest, including National Monuments, which are unhikeable (I made up that word) today today and for the last decade because of illegals, illegal drug dealer caravans.

Same result in the end. Guess we've lost parts of our nation.

132 posted on 10/06/2015 5:19:49 PM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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To: SJackson
As to coursing, laws in most states are pretty specific as to what you can use dogs for. Birds aside, you can't use dogs to break deer, but I believe you still can some places in the south. You can use dogs for bear. I'd be surprised if they could be used for wolves, or even coyotes, anywhere.

My quick perusal of the Idaho hunting regulations suggests that you could course coyotes in Idaho. The only big game animals where dog hunting is allowed are bear and cougar. So wolves would be out. However, coyotes are explicitly exempted from the list of big game animals, so absent finding any specific prohibition, I would assume that dog hunting would be allowed on coyotes. If I were going to course coyotes in Idaho I would check with the Fish and Game Department to make sure my interpretation is correct.

133 posted on 10/07/2015 8:24:13 AM PDT by CommerceComet (Ignore the GOP-e. Cruz to victory in 2016.)
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To: CommerceComet

Was referring to Wisconsin and deer. Though you can use them to track a wounded animal. You could be right about coyotes, they’re a year round season here. As are boar, though there aren’t that many. Doubt they have regulations about pests. But you’re right, one should check state by state. Don’t know anyone who hunts raccoon, usually trap them, but dogs might be ok for them.


134 posted on 10/07/2015 3:46:35 PM PDT by SJackson (Everybody has a plan until they get hit. Mike Tyson)
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