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Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work
The Telegraph ^ | 01 October 2015 10/04/2015 | Martin Daubney

Posted on 10/04/2015 6:44:39 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

A new book claims that male office workers are now so afraid of being on the receiving end of a sexual harassment case, they are reluctant to mentor, assist, befriend and even hold open doors for female colleagues.

Crushingly, the book, Sex & The Office suggests men now view such ordinary, decent behaviours as “too risky” – and, in what will be a bitter irony for equality campaigners – claims that, as a direct consequence, women are now failing to advance at work.

This terror of being accused of sexual harassment is now so common it has its own term, “backlash stress”. It sounds like something straight out of a Claims Direct ad – where the only victims are men.

The book’s author, Kim Elsesser, a research scholar at the University of California, argues that a “sex partition” has sprung up, which impedes women from building the vital network of contacts both within the workplace and socially.

And the author should know about tough working environments: she’s a former equities trader at Morgan Stanley.

Tellingly, Elsesser adds that companies themselves are contributing to this mess, as they are now so terrified of legal action they send staff on sexual harassment training courses, and are duty-bound to follow up on any allegation, however minor.

Ludicrously, Elsesser cites examples of men who have been dragged in by their HR departments for simply opening a door for a female colleague or complimenting her on a new suit. “Stories like these spread around workplaces, instilling a fear that innocent remarks will be misinterpreted,” she says.

No s**t, Sherlock!

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: employment; feminism; genderwars; men
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To: NorthstarMom

Same here. When a man holds a door for me, I always smile and say brightly, “Thank you, sir.”

So sick of the bitter hags. Men are wonderful.


41 posted on 10/04/2015 7:43:12 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Let's put the ship of state on Cruz Control with Ted Cruz.)
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To: SeekAndFind

New advice for men: avoid women at work wherever possible, send for a mail order bride from Phillipines.


42 posted on 10/04/2015 7:46:59 PM PDT by grumpygresh (We don't have Democrats and Republicans, we have the Faustian uni-party)
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To: Fred Hayek

“but another woman walking by did take offense, claiming that he was harassing his coworker. “

Just curious-—was this woman a co-worker or just passing by?

I can’t believe the poor guy lost his job.

I’m a woman from a generation that would feel bad if the guys at work didn’t give you compliments and flirt.

Lots of marriages came out of the workplace in those days.

Everything is upside down.

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43 posted on 10/04/2015 7:47:08 PM PDT by Mears
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To: SeekAndFind

Even in the US we’re trained not to talk to the women about anything but business.


44 posted on 10/04/2015 7:50:26 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: BJ1

I had to look up ‘MGTOW’ and consider myself one of those. Found this very informative video. It’s very disturbing what the FemiNazis are doing in Switzerland.

Feminism in Switzerland - MGTOW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6MGyJis1oo


45 posted on 10/04/2015 7:51:31 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yeah, there have been female associates in our office I will not work with because it’s clear from their attitude that any criticism from my viewpoint will be received as “sexism.” They are a walking lawsuit waiting to happen.

In fact, at one point we ended up firing a female associate because she did not disclose to us that she had left her prior firm after filing a sexual harassment claim against it. We had to anticipate she would sue us as well, and we were prepared for another lawsuit, but fortunately it didn’t happen. This lady’s basic problem was she was a crappy attorney, but her defense to everything was she was being discriminated against because of her gender. She was just an “entitled” pain in the butt.


46 posted on 10/04/2015 7:56:51 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: SeekAndFind

Every priest I know stays strictly away from children.


47 posted on 10/04/2015 7:56:54 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (Beau Biden's funeral, attended by Bp. Malooly, Card. McCarrick, and Papal Nuncio, Abp. Vigano.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Lucky to have grown up when gentleman behaved as gentlemen and women appreciated it.

Now....I make sure to thank a man who holds a door for me instead of just a smile and nod from the "good old days".

48 posted on 10/04/2015 7:57:34 PM PDT by Churchillspirit (9/11/2001 and 9/11/2012: NEVER FORGET.)
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To: Mears

Just passing by. She worked for the plant, not the construction company. The aftermath of that incident was men nearly refusing to talk to women.
The female coworker sided with the man, but the HR Zampolit condescendingly replied that this was for her own protection, since he was a predator based solely on the complaint of an “offended” third party with a chip on her shoulder the size of Manhattan.
I lost two of my best electricians that week. The rest of my construction team were nearly continuously looking over there shoulder after that, and this was a team not known for behavior normally associated with harassment. Note I used the term normally (which is a reflection of my bias as a white male heterosexual classist oppressor ad infinitum ad nauseum). Productivity also cratered.


49 posted on 10/04/2015 7:59:29 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: SeekAndFind
Well done, feminism. Now men are afraid to help women at work

That's me!

#1) I was standing behind a young lady who was sitting in front of a computer and I was teaching her how to do something. I put my index and middle finger on her shoulder to get her attention. I could hear and feel her sharp intake of breath and feel her stiffen like I was just about to rape her on the spot. Trust me. Training lasted about another 2 minutes before I was OUTTA there. Training was for HER benefit, not mine. I didn't HAVE to train her, I did it because I'm a nice guy. no longer.

#2) walked into AN office my boss had a contract with and said a pleasant "Good morning pretty ladies." Just a polite way to say hello. Well they complained to the boss that I shouldn't notice if they were pretty or not, the boss pulled me over and had "the talk" with me. Stopped doing ANYTHING above the absolute minimum necessary at that job.

#3) Company picnic planned. Lady asks me what I'm bringing for th epot luck. I said what do you need. Don't really matter to me, the wife is going to be cooking it. Just give us some time to prepare. Well, that got the word sexist thrown at me from one of the nearby broads. I marched straight into the boss's office and told him if I heard anything like that again, I'd resign on the spot and she could out-think their computer problems.

You see, that's the point here. Companies HUNT just for someone with my skill set while she has to hunt companies down. I've been a professional computer consultant for over 30 years, travelin around the country and fixing company's computer problems. Companies need me FAR more than they do these skanks.

Feminists take note. Most men work FAR harder at their careers than the comparable women do.

You're just hurting the women you pretend to be wanting to help.

50 posted on 10/04/2015 8:01:33 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica (How can God bless a country that's BUTCHERED 53 million babies?? Almost as many as ALL killed inWWII)
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To: NorthstarMom
I think feminists just don't like men and they are loud about it. But if a man like Donald Trump treats them like they would another man, (megyn Kelly) then it's crocodile tears and whining about them not respecting women. What is it exactly do they want?
51 posted on 10/04/2015 8:09:06 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BO)
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To: SeekAndFind

Speak for yourself.


52 posted on 10/04/2015 8:11:07 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Yes, Liberals, I question your patriotism)
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To: dandiegirl

Simple, they do not know what the f*** they want, it is simple as that.


53 posted on 10/04/2015 8:15:50 PM PDT by the_individual2014
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To: Mears

We had a blast working when I first got out of college. We went to lunch with our men co workers, went to happy hours and they were cute and flirtatious. It was just fun and created a fun atmosphere in our office. Women just don’t know how to be women anymore —I’m talking about the feminazis


54 posted on 10/04/2015 8:17:05 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BO)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

When I am around such women, I shut down.
As an engineer, I can not even have a technical disagreement.
I recently had one woman lecture me on what instrument to use on a certain kind of process measurement, even after I had the manufacturer of that particular instrument explain to her that it would not work, recommending a more suitable (and more cost effective) technology. Nope, I was wrong, the manufacturer (one of the biggest process controls suppliers globally) was wrong, I had an attitude problem. I was ready to quit that day.


55 posted on 10/04/2015 8:17:59 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: the_individual2014

HaHa, you are right!


56 posted on 10/04/2015 8:18:25 PM PDT by dandiegirl (BO)
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To: twister881
When at work, speak only of work-related matters.

How boring! Glad I'm retired. I remember decades ago at office parties, where the birthday guy got a cake shaped as a naked woman, and he went down on it for the first bite (you know where). Lots of ribald jokes and laughter. The women workers just watched but couldn't complain. Jokes on women in conference meetings were common. Used to be a man's world... (not that I approved of it, that's how it was).

57 posted on 10/04/2015 8:22:39 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: dragnet2; dandiegirl

Agreed and crap like this is half the reason why some companies do not care to hire some women, or why a lot of men and a certain amount of females do not even want female supervisors.


58 posted on 10/04/2015 8:26:38 PM PDT by the_individual2014
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To: tanknetter

They lose on the micro level too, despite the apparent wins.
They may win small battles insofar as others are uninterested in winning at such costs, yes.
They may lose large battles, others having learned their lessons and are willing to fight much harder - and smarter - when a serious conflict emerges.
They may _miss_ battles, others having learned to avoid conflict entirely - ensuring it’s over before it starts.
Worst of all: by battling over every d@mn thing great and small, they are denied that which others would have given them freely and with joy and at great personal sacrifice, if only they had worked as a caring team and not as mutual combatants thrown into the ring.

Many men would go to the ends of the Earth to deliver great results, if only she (whatever the relationship) would say “thank you” at the end and not harangue him the whole way.


59 posted on 10/04/2015 8:28:20 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Everyone entering NRA offices come out alive. Not so Planned Parenthood.)
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To: Mears

I had to take management sexual harassment training twenty years ago. I still remember how a friendly innocuous comment to a coworker could be overheard by somebody else and be classed as a “hostile work environment.” Utterly insane and going on for at least two decades now.


60 posted on 10/04/2015 8:43:25 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not, no explanation is possible)
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