[LeoWindhorse]

the wrong side lost in 1865

[ColdOne]

, the Civil War was not about states’ rights......stopped read there.

[2ndDivisionVet]

Because we’re fittin’ to have another one?

[ColdOne]

read=reading

[DoodleDawg]

Here we go again.

[rsobin]

To coin a yankee term,for people who harp on the narrow aspect of when they both owned (and sold) slaves, they can pound salt. Wars are fought over money, as was this one!

[DiogenesLamp]

In order to appreciate that war’s significance, it must be understood what the Civil War was about. Contrary to all-too-popular opinion, the Civil War was not about states’ rights. Instead it was all about slavery and white supremacy. As shown in my just-released book, The Myth of the Lost Cause: Why the South Fought the Civil War and Why the North Won, there is compelling evidence that secession and the Confederacy were the result of Southerners’ desire to preserve slavery and white supremacy – not to promote states’ rights.

"Read the book I just wrote which proves that what I think is correct, because it's in that book I just wrote. "

Of course he/she/it left out this important piece of evidence. The Union was going to keep slavery.

So how does he/she/it figure that the Union was fighting a war to end slavery?

[sparklite2]

“Instead it was all about slavery and white supremacy.”

Baloney. Ask the man who waged the war, Lincoln himself.

http://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation

His views became clear during an 1858 series of debates with his opponent in the Illinois race for U.S. Senate, Stephen Douglas, who had accused him of supporting “negro equality.” In their fourth debate, at Charleston, Illinois, on September 18, 1858, Lincoln made his position clear. “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races,” he began, going on to say that he opposed blacks having the right to vote, to serve on juries, to hold office and to intermarry with whites.

[blueunicorn6]

Not this stuff again.

We’re going to dig this bag of bones out of the ground again?

We are on the precipice of a nuclear war with Russia, and we are going to drag this up again?

Employment is in the toilet, but we’re going to fight this again?

Have at it, folks. The Democrats can’t wait.

[Iron Munro]

What percentage of the people in the south were slave owners? - About 1.4%

Who was the first slave owner in America? - An Angolan black man who adopted the European name of Anthony Johnson

Did any blacks own black slaves? Too many to count

In 1830, a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; 8 of them owned 30 or more.

In New Orleans over 3,000 free Negroes owned slaves, or 28 percent of the free Negroes in that city.

In 1860 there were at least six Negroes in Louisiana who owned 65 or more slaves. The largest number, 152 slaves, were owned by the widow C. Richards and her son P.C. Richards, who owned a large sugar cane plantation.

Another Negro slave magnate in Louisiana, with over 100 slaves, was Antoine Dubuclet, a sugar planter whose estate was valued at (in 1860 dollars) $264,000.

In Charleston, South Carolina in 1860, 125 free Negroes owned slaves; six of them owned 10 or more.

In North Carolina 69 free Negroes were slave owners.

In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the US census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some eight million of them lived in the slaveholding states.

The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves.

Even if all slaveholders had been white (and they weren’t), that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

These statistics show that about 28 percent of free blacks owned slaves — as opposed to less than 4.8 percent of southern whites, and dramatically more than the 1.4 percent of all white Americans who owned slaves.

http://newobserveronline.com/hidden-facts-about-slavery-in-america/

[Rome2000]

Ed Bonekemper is retarded.

[impactplayer]

That may or may not be the reason states left the union, but that’s not the reason the war was fought. The US got 70% of its revenue from tariffs in the South and could not afford the loss of funds. Leaving the union was legal (constitution would not have been ratified without it) - leaving the north unfunded could not stand.

[Terry L Smith]

The Civil War, as i was taught many years before jimmy carter’s abomination of education, WAS about States’ Rights vs. the growing unConstitutional centralization of the federal government.

Does it seem as though we might be heading for another one?

Yes, but i still hope not.

Why?

‘Cause how much is left, that i fought to defend, and keep free.

[Eric Pode of Croydon]

Several Northern states, exercising their states' rights, decided that they would actively enforce the federal law which required the return of escaped slaves to their self-styled "owners".

The South disagreed, believing that the Federal fugitive slave law should preempt the Northern states' rights.

Thereupon the Southern states seceded in order to form a new federal government of their own, under which states were not free to make their own laws regarding slavery.

So yes! the Civil War originated as a states' rights issue. It's just that the North was the pro states' rights side........

[patriot08]

Abraham Lincoln was responsible for the deaths of over 620,000 of his fellow Americans. He ordered that psycho monster, Sherman to rob, rape, burn, murder innocent men, women and children from Atlanta to the sea..

Lincoln was a war criminal and a mass murderer. He should have been hung for crimes against humanity.

[MUDDOG]

The South did win the Reconstruction, until the 1960s.

[This I Wonder32460]

Wouldn’t slavery have been considered one of several state rights issues of 1850/1860’s?

[Moonman62]

The CW was about secession, or preserving the Union, depending on which side you were on. One should read Lincoln’s first inaugural address or Grant’s Paducah Proclamation if they have any doubts. Or note that there were slave states in the Union.

Now the issue that led to secession was slavery. No doubt about it.

[Rufii]

THE GOOD OLD REBEL
(James Randolph, 1914)

O, I’m a good old Rebel,
Now that’s just what I am,
I won’t be reconstructed, and
I do not give a damn;

I’m glad I fit against it —
I only wish we’d won,
And I don’t want no pardon
For anything I done.

I hates the Constitution,
This Great Republic too,
I hates the Freedman’s Bureau,
The uniforms of blue;

I hates the nasty eagle,
With all his brags and fuss,
The lyin’, thievin’ Yankees,
I hates ‘em wuss and wuss.

I hates the Yankee nation
And everything they do,
I hates the Declaration
Of Independence too;

I hates the glorious Union —
‘Tis dripping with our blood —
I hates their striped banner,
I fit it all I could.

I followed old mass’ Robert
For four year, near about,
Got wounded in three places
And starved at Point Lookout;

I cotch the rheumatism
A campin’ in the snow,
But I killed a chance of Yankees,
I’d like to kill some mo’.

Three hundred thousand Yankees
Is stiff in Southern dust;
We got three hundred thousand
Before they conquered us;

They died of Southern fever
And Southern steel and shot,
I wish they was three million
Instead of what we got.

I can’t take up my musket
And fight ‘em now no more,
But I ain’t going to love ‘em,
Now that is certain sure;

And I don’t want no pardon
For what I was and am,
I won’t be reconstructed
And I don’t care a damn.

O, I’m a good old Rebel,
Now that’s just what I am,
And for this Yankee nation,
I do not give a damn;

I’m glad I fit against it —
I only wish we’d won,
And I don’t want no pardon
For anything I done.

[stylecouncilor]

there is compelling evidence that secession and the Confederacy were the result of Southerners’ desire to preserve slavery and white supremacy – not to promote states’ rights.