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Posted on 10/02/2015 3:53:32 PM PDT by bgill
10:30 a.m. Pacific time: Shots fired in Snyder Hall. Officers responded almost immediately, requesting medical assistance and backup. Early reports indicated as many as 20 were wounded. 10:43 a.m.: Officers locate suspect, a male, on campus. 10:44 a.m.: Gunfire exchanged between officers and suspect. Thirty-five people reported inside building; campus is locked down. 10:49 a.m: Suspect confirmed dead
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You would need the cops time when they arrived on scene.
What time was that?
That’s 14 mins. Not 10.
Seem nearly 20 minutes transpired between shots fired and suspect confirmed dead.
The timeline here is very vague.
The Highway Patrol office is barely a mile away. Very fast reaction.
Ten minutes seems a bit long. Although maybe they got there sooner and it took them awhile to actually find and confront the shooter.
Hopefully they didn’t wait to go in like the cops at the Sandy Hook shooting did. (At Sandy Hook the first ones arrived in four minutes. But then were told to wait before going in, five minutes later).
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When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
Only 10 minutes !!!
Sometimes it takes all weekend to hit that number in Chicago.
Try 1.5 hours from initial 911 call to when swat arrived only to find the perp dead from the innocent victim on the 911 line. Been there, done that, will do what he has to to survive.
When things are real, you deal with reality.
There’s a state police barracks down the road, very close.
“When every second is a matter of life or death,
The police are only minutes away.”
Average number of dead victims when a mass-shooting is stopped by police: 11+.
Average number of dead victims when a mass-shooting is stopped by a civilian: 3-.
Why? Do you need to ask?
“10:30 a.m. Pacific time: Shots fired in Snyder Hall. Officers responded almost immediately, requesting medical assistance and backup.”
That makes it sound like 10:30 is when the police got the first call.
In my mind the “response time” clock should start when the first person thinks, “damn, I wish I had a gun!”
Thanks
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2014/september/fbi-releases-study-on-active-shooter-incidents
According to the study:
There were 160 active shooter/mass shooting incidents between 2000 and 2013
That translates to an average of 11.3 incidents per year, though incidents in the final seven years of the study rose to about 16 per year, on average
In all, the shootings produced 1,043 casualties
Of the casualties, 486 people were killed and 557 were wounded
All but six of the 160 shootings were male suspects
In 21 of the 45 incidents where law enforcement had to engage the shooter to end the threat, nine officers were killed and 28 were wounded.
Also, the study found, "The largest percentage of incidents--45.6 percent--took place in a commercial environment (73 incidents), followed by 24.3 percent that took place in an educational environment (39 incidents). The remaining incidents occurred at the other location types specified in the study--open spaces, military and other government properties, residential properties, houses of worship, and health care facilities."
What was not emphasized in the study:
Five of the mass shooting incidents were ended by armed civilians who subdued the shooter
21 of the incidents ended with unarmed citizens subduing the shooter (a dicey proposition at best)
Obviously, if you're confronting someone who is armed, it is much better to be armed (and trained in the use of that firearm) yourself; this would save many more lives than waiting on police.
At least 25 of the shootings ended with the shooter getting away before cops arrived
Only 28 percent of the 160 incidents came to an end after police exchanged fire with the shooter(s); of these, 20 percent ended with the shooter killing himself
The Second Amendment protects law officers, too
The FBI, in its press release, noted:
Because so many of these incidents unfold so rapidly, Special Agent Katherine Schweit--who heads the FBI's Active Shooter Initiative--says she hopes the study "demonstrates the need not only for enhanced preparation on the part of law enforcement and other first responders, but also for civilians to be engaged in discussions and training on decisions they'd have to make in an active shooter situation."
"Citizens need to be ready and think about what they might have to do," Schweit went on to say. But getting a federal law enforcement agency to admit that a vital right in the Constitution could actually make its officers and those of civilian law enforcement agencies safer, as well as society in general, is virtually impossible.
Obviously, no one needs a gun for personal defense as cops are only 10 minutes away to rescue you.
What a load of manure, 10 minutes is enough tine to murder all in the danger area. Gun free zones and guns only for cops, not civilians means bad guys and bad governments run wild.
i read he stated in his classroom. two ccw students, assuming one is immediately shot, would have ended this in 30 seconds.
we have armed guards to protect politicians, entertainers, rich people and money all must be more important than our children who are undefended and taught to be defensively passive.
Good Info
Just in time to draw the chalk outlines.
Through no fault of their own - It is the nature of the system.
Law Enforcement officers cannot be everywhere at once.
That is why gun free zones are pure idiocy.
All they do is gurantee that the perp will be the only armed person at the location.
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