Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Sharia Law Does Not Condone Killing,Rape-"That's Crazy"

Breitbart.com ^ | September 28, 2015 | Pam Key

[dynoman]

The discussion we are having is similar to ones where atheists condemn “Christians” who conducted the crusades and purges. In the 1000s and 1100s possessing a bible meant death - from so called Christian leaders. I’ll say the “Christians” who conducted that kind of violence were not Christians - obviously they did not follow the two commandments Christ left - how could they be Christians?

When people pick and chose carefully selected Quran verses in an attempt to say “right hand possesses” equals justification for rape they are doing the same thing as atheists condemning Christians with carefully selected OT verses.

[PapaBear3625]

When people pick and chose carefully selected Quran verses in an attempt to say “right hand possesses” equals justification for rape they are doing the same thing as atheists condemning Christians with carefully selected OT verses.

The problem is not from Christians who see Quranic verses as justifying rape. The problem is from Muslims who see Quranic verses as justifying rape. This is the problem which has made Sweden the rape capital of the West, which has resulted in Norway having close to 100% of its rapes being done by "non-Western males". The problem is what justification the Rotherham rape gangs feel they have in raping around 1,400 young British girls.

The propensity of Muslims in Europe to indulge in rape is large and well documented. It is obvious that they feel some justification.

[zzwhale]

is lew alcindar now an imam...... roflmao

[Yaelle]

When I went to Islamic countries at 17 on an educational voyage, there was a modern and international Muslim woman, a professor with a doctorate, who gave us all the proper instructions on how to behave.

We were told to cover our arms, legs, and cleavage. Not to wear slinky clothing. To travel if possible with a male student. If female only, the group should be large, at least four. We were also told not to walk like sight seeers but like we were purposefully and quickly walking from one place to another. We were told that a woman just walking around is in these countries considered “available to all” like a common whore and the local men had permission to touch, etc.

In one country we were four rather cute blonde girls, and the man who worked at our hotel insisted on taking us everywhere we went. It was wonderful having him as an escort as he took us through the souks and bazaars and to great restaurants and we were safe with a local man. We “belonged” to him.

Of course in Tunisia in the bazaar I was alone with an American male student friend and he was offered, by a headdress-wearing sheik, many camels for me. I am grateful he didn’t take the offer.

[bgill]

Prove it doesn’t.

[PapaBear3625]

Omar Suleiman, head of the history department at Bayyinah, an Islamic institute of higher learning based in Texas, confirmed this to me in an extensive conversation on Islam, slavery and sexual consent. “Rape is violence,” Suleiman made clear, “and Islamic scholars have even classified it as muharabah, as war against the community,” the maximal (hadd) punishment for which, he noted, was more severe than adultery.

So, you engage in "extensive conversations" with Muslims, and you accept what they tell you at face value.

You seriously expect that a Muslim scholar would want anything that would paint Islam in a negative way to come out to the non-Muslim world? Study up on the doctrines of taqiyya and kitman. Lying to infidels is permitted when it advances Islam.

Hadith Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 59 :: Hadith 369, on the assassination of Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf, a Jewish man critical of Islam:

Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." Then Muhammad bin Maslama went to Kab and said, "That man (i.e. Muhammad demands Sadaqa (i.e. Zakat) from us, and he has troubled us, and I have come to borrow something from you." On that, Kab said, "By Allah, you will get tired of him!" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Now as we have followed him, we do not want to leave him unless and until we see how his end is going to be. Now we want you to lend us a camel load or two of food." (Some difference between narrators about a camel load or two.) Kab said, "Yes, (I will lend you), but you should mortgage something to me." Muhammad bin Mas-lama and his companion said, "What do you want?" Ka'b replied, "Mortgage your women to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our women to you and you are the most handsome of the 'Arabs?" Ka'b said, "Then mortgage your sons to me." They said, "How can we mortgage our sons to you? Later they would be abused by the people's saying that so-and-so has been mortgaged for a camel load of food. That would cause us great disgrace, but we will mortgage our arms to you." Muhammad bin Maslama and his companion promised Kab that Muhammad would return to him. He came to Kab at night along with Kab's foster brother, Abu Na'ila. Kab invited them to come into his fort, and then he went down to them. His wife asked him, "Where are you going at this time?" Kab replied, "None but Muhammad bin Maslama and my (foster) brother Abu Na'ila have come." His wife said, "I hear a voice as if dropping blood is from him, Ka'b said. "They are none but my brother Muhammad bin Maslama and my foster brother Abu Naila. A generous man should respond to a call at night even if invited to be killed." Muhammad bin Maslama went with two men. (Some narrators mention the men as 'Abu bin Jabr. Al Harith bin Aus and Abbad bin Bishr). So Muhammad bin Maslama went in together with two men, and sail to them, "When Ka'b comes, I will touch his hair and smell it, and when you see that I have got hold of his head, strip him. I will let you smell his head." Kab bin Al-Ashraf came down to them wrapped in his clothes, and diffusing perfume. Muhammad bin Maslama said. " have never smelt a better scent than this. Ka'b replied. "I have got the best 'Arab women who know how to use the high class of perfume." Muhammad bin Maslama requested Ka'b "Will you allow me to smell your head?" Ka'b said, "Yes." Muhammad smelt it and made his companions smell it as well. Then he requested Ka'b again, "Will you let me (smell your head)?" Ka'b said, "Yes." When Muhammad got a strong hold of him, he said (to his companions), "Get at him!" So they killed him and went to the Prophet and informed him. (Abu Rafi) was killed after Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf."

Do not count on a pious Muslim being your friend and dealing honestly with you. Quran 3:28 (multiple translations):

Muhsin Khan

Let not the believers take the disbelievers as Auliya (supporters, helpers, etc.) instead of the believers, and whoever does that will never be helped by Allah in any way, except if you indeed fear a danger from them. And Allah warns you against Himself (His Punishment), and to Allah is the final return.

Pickthall

Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.

Sahih International

Let not believers take disbelievers as allies rather than believers. And whoever [of you] does that has nothing with Allah , except when taking precaution against them in prudence. And Allah warns you of Himself, and to Allah is the [final] destination. Shakir

Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

A Muslim who believes in the Quran is not allowed to take you as a friend. He can only PRETEND friendship with you, if it serves a purpose such as making himself more secure.

[dynoman]

http://30mosques.com/archive2010/2010/09/day-22-ross-north-dakota-a-leap-in-time/

Do you deny that there are Muslims who would argue vehemently against the idea that “right hand possesses” equals justification for rape? No one knows the first Muslim mosque in North America was in Ross ND. It’s not well known because those Muslims lived as Americans.

You are painting with a broad brush, and condemning the innocent with the guilty. I don’t know if you consider yourself a Christian or not but I know Christians hate it when others do that to them. The least we can do is be accurate and not do the exact same thing to others. It’s very unfair to judge a religion by a criminal element that’s hijacked it. I’m talking about Christian extremists during the crusades as well as Muslim extremists like ISIS, and others of their ilk. These people have one thing in common - they and their programmers are sadistic criminals, natural born killers and torturers that take advantage of situations to act out their morbid fetishes. Blaming a non human entity like Communism, Christianity, or Islam is a cop-out in my opinion.

[PapaBear3625]

Do you deny that there are Muslims who would argue vehemently against the idea that “right hand possesses” equals justification for rape?

I'm sure you could find lots who would so argue.

The problem is that you can also find lots who would argue that “right hand possesses” DOES equal justification for rape. Many clerics among them.

And then there is the problem of being able to tell which of the ones that argue vehemently against the idea, actually believe what they are saying, and are not just engaging in taqiyya.

[PapaBear3625]

Blaming a non human entity like Communism, Christianity, or Islam is a cop-out in my opinion.

No, it is not a cop-out. The question to be asked is "Does the body of writings that the religion or ideology is based upon serve to oppose oppression of people, or to justify it?"

With Christianity, the answer is no. The Gospels argue against there being justification for enslaving, raping, or robbing others.

With communism, the answer is yes. The common doctrines of the end justifying the means, coupled with the end-state of communism being of infinite value, would serve to justify doing whatever is needed in order to achieve that end-state.

With Islam, a religion developed by a caravan robber, murderer, rapist, and pedophile, the answer is yes. Writings in the Quran and Hadith explicitly call upon Muslims to wage war against infidels until they submit to Islam.

Islam holds that Mohammad is an exemplar of proper conduct, whom all Muslims should strive to emulate. And Mohammad was a vile man.

[dynoman]

The goalposts have moved away from the original premise the Quran - “right hand possesses” - equals justification for rape. Not much more to say than what’s been said.

[Stand Watch Listen]

taqiyyah,

-- In Islam, the practice of concealing one’s belief and foregoing ordinary religious duties when under threat of death or injury.

-- Lying to non-Muslims in advance for Islam is allowed till Judgment Day Quran 3:28, 16:106

-- It is fine to deceive the infidels. They are just pigs anyways. In fact, al-Taqiyyah of the Qur'an compels protection of Islam by deception.

A TEACHABLE MOMENT
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[publius911]

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: Sharia Law Does Not Condone Killing,Rape-"That's Crazy"

Yes dumbass!

It IS crazy.

ALSO REALITY!

[VideoDoctor]

Yet another so called intelligent American who has NOT a clue in regard to Islam.

Maybe he is just another STUPID retired aging athlete.

[JimRed]

Jabbar is the kind of Muslim that the true Qur’an followers consider as deserving of death as we Infidels. An apostate, because he does not do what Allah/Satan demands.

[PapaBear3625]

Meanwhile

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/06/24/shock-poll-51-of-american-muslims-want-sharia-25-okay-with-violence-against-americans/

[Gritty]

HEADLINE: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Sharia Law Does Not Condone Killing,Rape-"That's Is Crazy

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