[Leaning Right]

The Dems undermined Iraq from almost the start.

I have to agree with that.

And I'll also agree that my analogy with Vietnam isn't perfect. But here's the bottom line, with Vietnam or Iraq, or wherever: If you are going to get involved in a major war, you sure as hell had better be in it to win it. Otherwise, don't get involved.

LBJ ignored that, and so did W. I cannot forgive either one, ever.

[sockhead]

But here's the bottom line, with Vietnam or Iraq, or wherever: If you are going to get involved in a major war, you sure as hell had better be in it to win it.

I agree! I don't want to see our military sent anywhere without the freedom to accomplish a clear goal.