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We Lost Our Daughter to a Mass Shooter and Now Owe $203,000 to His Ammo Dealer
huffingtonpost.com ^ | 9/25/2015 | Lonnie and Sandy Phillips

Posted on 09/26/2015 9:34:38 AM PDT by rktman

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To: rktman

The ammo companies should be required to put a warning label on their products. “Do not use if you are a bad person”


41 posted on 09/26/2015 9:55:40 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: rktman

Propaganda Analysis:

Attorneys at Arnold and Porter and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence brought the lawsuit for us, pro bono (makes them sound likes good guys, doesn’t it. Free is always going to cost you)

Why is there a law that says you cannot sue an ammunitions dealer that allowed 4,000 rounds of armor-piercing bullets into the wrong hands? (There is no such law. You did sue them, it is just that you lost and you knew the risks.)

you have an impenetrable barrier to using the judicial system to effect change in gun legislation in Colorado. (and that is the way it should be)

The Judge insinuated in his order that Brady should pay since he said they were the instigators. If this was a ploy designed to give the appearance that Brady was responsible and turn us against each other, it did not work. (stupid people, the judge was trying to help them)


42 posted on 09/26/2015 9:56:22 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: rktman
Sorry, but in many other jurisdictions, if you bring a civil lawsuit and lose, you are responsible for attorney's fees for the party you unjustly sued.

How could they conclude it was the ammo dealers fault in any case? Let the Brady organization pay up.

43 posted on 09/26/2015 9:57:12 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Save Western Civilization. Embrace the new Crusades.)
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To: Defiant

“we thought it was outrageous that companies could sell a dangerous man an arsenal without getting any information about him.”

We all feel bad for the loss of their daughter but the court got it correct.


44 posted on 09/26/2015 9:57:19 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: rktman
Some years ago there was a terrible fire in a nightclub in Rhode Island...100 kids were killed.After lawyers realized that there was no insurance and that the club owner had no assets they announced that they would sue Shell Oil Company (yah,*that* Shell Oil).They said they were doing so because Shell was one of the sponsors of the tour of the group that was appearing that night.

And lawyers wonder why they're as despised as they are!

45 posted on 09/26/2015 9:58:29 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Obamanomics:Trickle Up Poverty)
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To: rktman

One of the rare instances where a lefty gets nailed.


46 posted on 09/26/2015 10:01:02 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: dennisw

Post #7 quotes the story as stating that the parents bought a “camper” to live in. Look at the pic and tell me if you’d call that a “camper”. Guess “camper” fit the template better than the hateful “recreational vehicle”.


47 posted on 09/26/2015 10:01:07 AM PDT by Charlemagne on the Fox
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Shouldn't there attorney.pay the cost.....

after all.its the attorney advising you if there a case..

48 posted on 09/26/2015 10:01:11 AM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans Patriots are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: rktman

...”the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”. These people’s lawsuit was patently ridiculous As their attorneys should have advised them. Sounds like they got taken to the cleaners by some crooked or at least incompetent lawyers? Imagine that!!


49 posted on 09/26/2015 10:02:17 AM PDT by faithhopecharity (Brilliant, funny, and incisive Tagline coming to this space soon.....)
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To: rktman
So, following their train of thought, a fat person's spouse/parents/siblings should be able to sue McDonald's, cattle ranchers, potato farmers, the Katsup manufacturer and the baker for making their loved one fat after they succumb to their obesity-induced malady. Wow.
50 posted on 09/26/2015 10:09:40 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: tophat9000

It really does look like professional malpractice. If the black letter law was as described, the Complaint should never have been filed.
Nearly a quarter million dollars in fees. Maybe the judge was trying to make a point.


51 posted on 09/26/2015 10:10:10 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: GreyFriar

yeah but I think under frivolous lawsuits concept of paying the person you sued ..it should be at the attorney of the people that sued that pays

after all there a hired professional if there not giving proper legal advice not saying it was frivolous ...that’s malpractice....

by definition it has to be obviously frivolous ..it can’t be a close call but you just happened to lose

if the attorney is not feeling the pain then every ambulance chasers always going to tell every idiot out there with a frivolous lawsuit “sure I’ll take a shot not, cost me a damn dime in the end”

If you are an engineer/architect hired to build a building you at least put together a sound structure

same with an attorney have to put together a sound legal case....if it was bound to collapse they should be liable


52 posted on 09/26/2015 10:11:35 AM PDT by tophat9000 (King G(OP)eorge III has no idea why the Americans Patriots are in rebellion... teach him why)
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To: null and void

“Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”

Good one!


53 posted on 09/26/2015 10:13:39 AM PDT by beekay
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To: rktman

Life’s a byotch when you try to jerk around the constitution.


54 posted on 09/26/2015 10:15:20 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: rktman

It’s not about the ammo dear.

It’s about a system that is non-repsponsive to mental illness and a failure to respond to serious and direct threats.

The campus police and local police were warned about him and they failed to act.

So, there was no way to restrict his access.

The only people that get their access restricted are men with an angry ex.


55 posted on 09/26/2015 10:16:23 AM PDT by G Larry (Vote Hillary! Pro-Abortion Socialist)
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To: Heart of Georgia

Agreed. Sorry for their loss, but they followed horrible advice.


56 posted on 09/26/2015 10:18:17 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: rktman

Thank you for saying exactly what I was thinking.


57 posted on 09/26/2015 10:18:44 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playing chess with pigeons.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I remember “The Station” fire; I believe the band manager and owners did time for that. Other companies (not Shell) contributed to a large settlement.


58 posted on 09/26/2015 10:25:24 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I bet if this was a conservative cause about religious liberty, a Go Fund Me campaign would be set up to pay those attorney fees, they’d raise triple what was owed in 2 days, and then Go Fund Me would quickly shut it down.

Liberals don’t give a damn when their symbolic tools get screwed after a failed crusade.


59 posted on 09/26/2015 10:27:02 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: rktman

Maybe we should start suing car dealers and manufacturers who sell cars to alcoholics.


60 posted on 09/26/2015 10:27:21 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Somebody wake me up when America's Popegasm is finally over.)
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