Posted on 09/26/2015 6:11:19 AM PDT by GIdget2004
It appears that America lost on both counts. Manufacturing and jobs went to Mexico, and Mexico dumped its human debris on the US.
I’m surprised anyone ever did.
It was a monstrosity and covered things far outside normal trade matters.
One major problem I had was the ability for Mexican truckers to enter our nation and go anywhere they wanted with Mexican trucks. No need to have them inspected.
Cheap Labor, rears it’s ugly head again.
IMO, this would have had a very negative impact on the nations truckers, because no Mexican truck would dead head back to the border. They’d be moving freight our truckers used to.
Screw that noise...
Trump’s right. Renegotiate with people who don’t have their heads firmly implanted.
Canada and Mexico can trade with us reasonably. This shouldn’t be unfair to them either, but some common sense should apply.
You raise valid points. I’m sure that Trump already had top notch security before he got into this race, after all when you have your family involved with your various businesses, there are too often opportunities for kidnapping, ransom, and underhanded things like that.
As long as Trump remembers that the last time there was a Bush in the VP slot, the President was damn near killed less than 90 days into his term.
And the Bush and Hinckley families were the very closest of friends.
This is how Frank Luntz is now but back then he worked for maverick GOP candidates. He should be working for Donald Trump now the way he worked for Perot 25 years ago. And Pat Buchanan.
Industrial Union workers of America,,,,,the Democrat Party has abandoned you...POTUS Obama frothed & fawned all over the “PRC” Chiness leader, gave him a state dinner, the Queen of England would not get, and gave away more of “your” jobs, then you could ever imagine. You folks, voting for any Democrat are on drugs or insane. Donald Trump is for the American worker...100%!!!
You may be right, but the reason that I’m sensitive here is because people in the past (Perot, Pat) that wanted to cut off trade deals never had much to say about unions and what they did say was sympathetic.
I don’t know where Trumps stands relative to unions, but they will be MUCH MORE POWERFUL if their main source of competition (i.e., overseas workers) goes away. Unless something is done with unions, we’ll be back to the old days of strikers everywhere you look - not so great for this country either.
Many have not been paying attention to what Trump says in his ‘Trump speeches’. Proves that he has lots of room to grow. Trump/Cruz 2016
WHY WOULD WE ELECT PRESIDENT A GUY WHO...?
Why would this country elect as president some guy who was known to regale friends with nigger* jokes, had a history of depression, was suicidal from time to time (in his defense, probably due to the death of his young son, but suicidal nonetheless) and eventually started an internecine war that took the lives of over 700,000 troops and civilians and...
What? Oh, yeah. That was LINCOLN! never mind!
* A corruption of another word now freely used by blacks around the world when referring to one another. To NOT have written the word here would be to accord the dark forces of political correctness an inappropriate and destructive victory of which Orwell’s Thought Police would be proud.
Why would we elect president some guy who was not healthy and smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day, married his fifth cousin then had a notorious affair with his secretary and...
What? Oh, sorry, that was FDR!
And why would the American people put in the Oval Office a man who, while overseas running the war in Europe another 3 pack-a-day smoker who was schtupping his secretary while his wife was back here tending to the family and...
Oh, sorry. That was Republican DWIGHT EISENHOWER. Moving on...
How about another Democrat who, to his credit served honorably in the Pacific but DID manage to get his PT boat sliced in half by a Japanese destroyer but redeemed himself by getting his crew rescued. Running against Nixon in the 1960 race, this same married chap, whose handlers thought he was a bit “tense” before the first televised debate, took him out and got him laid. (That certainly relaxed him as he won the debate.) Once in office, this fellow had numerous extramarital affairs with mob molls and several Hollywood stars, Marilyn Monroe among them and...
Oh yeah. That was JFK. never mind.
(For an interesting aside re. that event and the role a leftist media type played in that debate, please see the footnote below. If you’ve watched the current debates, you understand that THEY STILL DO.)
And then there was this character from Texas who, after his friends counted the ballots and reported him barely ahead in a close race for the Senate, was shocked – just shocked –that the very night before the recount, would you believe it? — the courthouse burned down, destroying the ballots! Like Lincoln, “nigger” was a regular part of his crude vocabulary. This fellow was a notorious womanizer and drunk whose favorite technique for reprimanding errant subordinates was to call them into the lavatory while he moved his bowels. Classy, huh?
Then he...What? You say that was LBJ? never mind.
How in the WORLD could we elect to the presidency some guy who was a 60s socialist radical, later married one even more radical than himself, wangled multiple deferments from MILITARY SERVICE while other kids his age were humping through the bush in Vietnam dodging bullets and who was a woman abuser and engaged in sexual misconduct in the Oval Office with a young intern then, under oath, perjured himself about it and...
What? Oh, right, that was BILL CLINTON! never mind!
But why the heck would we elect some guy raised by grandparents and some pornographer — all three of whom were on FBI “Communist Watch” lists in the 50s and 60s (back when the FBI actually did its job of trying to protect US) – and whose mother posed nude for the pornographer before abandoning him and who has openly admitted to have been – and probably still is – a pot head and user of harder illegal substances and whose every action bespeaks a hatred for the nation he allegedly heads...
What? Oh, right. That’s BARACK OBAMA! never mind!
I haven’t researched all the other folks we elevated to the highest elected office in this country. If I did, I’m sure I’d find warts and blemishes on ALL OF THEM. And why would that be? BECAUSE, LIKE YOU AND ME, THEY’RE ALL IMPERFECT HUMAN BEINGS AND ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY.
Until some leftist “journalist” comes up with a fully documented list of reprehensible things MY candidate – who doesn’t drink or smoke and has raised his kids to be responsible, successful adults – has done to other folks, I’ll stick with TRUMP. And until these same media mavens provide me with a list of associates, friends, employees, clients and others he has screwed over and, further, convince me that he is attempting to prevaricate his way into the presidency (as the last guy did!) or that his profession of LOVE for America is as egregious a lie as the last guy told us, I’LL HANG IN THERE WITH TRUMP.
But my support for The Donald is based more on how the current crop (or is that crAp) of political elites and their media lapdogs and handmaidens are GOING NUTS because he is articulating problems in terms WE USE IN OUR CONVERSATIONS OUT HERE IN “FLYOVER COUNTRY”, AND NOT TALKING ABOUT HOW BEST TO ARRANGE THE DECK CHAIRS ON THE FOUNDERING SHIP CALLED “AMERICA”.
Because the entrenched forces he faces have a 3 way program for dealing with outsiders (1. IGNORE; 2. DISCREDIT; 3. ELIMINATE), all we have to do is pray he REMAINS ABOVE AMBIENT TEMPERATURE through the debates, the election and, hopefully, on to January 20th, 2017 and an inauguration.
Dick Bachert 9/26/2015
FOOTNOTE:
The 1960 Nixon-Kennedy Debates were directed by one Don Hewitt, creator of CBS’ “60 Minutes”. Hewitt told Nixon, who had a serious “5 O’clock Shadow” (beard, for you youngsters not familiar with that phrase) that he didn’t need to shave just prior to the program. Hewitt then directed the studio lighting to flatter Kennedy while arranging Nixon’s to make him look like an extra from “The Walking Dead”. Not satisfied, Hewitt slowly tightened the shot each time Nixon spoke so that his head loomed and filled the entire screen on TV sets all over the country. And as we all know, things that “loom” are clearly dangerous and should be avoided. The voters did so and, as we all know, Kennedy won.
I need to add that, warts and all, Kennedy did a pretty good job. While he got it completely wrong at the Bay of Pigs, he defused the Cuban Missile show down with the Soviets. And he was moving in the direction of unhooking our monetary system from the Fed (to which we PAY INTEREST on the currency they create from THIN AIR!), had begun speaking out about lowering taxes and getting us out of Vietnam. Some of us believe that’s why some folks blew off the top of his head on November 22, 1963. As with so many events like these, we may never know the truth.
BobL, unions are generally not winning new converts.
Huntington Memorial Hospital in Pasadena California just went through the process. Their nurses rejected going union.
There were 539 votes against union representation and 445 in favor. A simple majority of ballots cast is required to approve unionization and NLRB officials must determine how many of the 175 challenged ballots will be counted before an outcome can be determined.
The smokescreen tossed out was to make it seem the vote might actually be found to reverse later on. Months later, no such luck for the unions.
Having seen jobs flee our shores, I think folks are on to the union hustle.
I think there was a time when unions did help resolve some issues, but that was way in the past.
Don’t forget that Trump runs hotels and is quite vulnerable to unions organizing his housekeeping staff and others.
Nobody in an ownership/management position favors unions.
Bringing back jobs may spark some union resurgence. With 40 million plus out of work, I don’t think folks are anxious to be seen by employers as hostile.
I’m only saying that I’d like to hear more about unions from Trump, not that he’s necessarily pro-union. I just don’t know.
As to unions withering, I would agree that they may now look weak, but a few NLRB rulings (like card check), and they will be BACK WITH A VENGEANCE, whether or not workers even want them.
I just hope to see it addressed soon.
actually the loss of manufacturing was not because of trade agreements that thought is actually a misunderstanding of the reality
the loss or rather the change in manufacturing was mostly the result of the anomaly that resulted from the destruction of the worlds other manufacturers in WW II. In 50 or so years they were once again able to compete
the American advantage dissipated to evenness
The NLRB itself needs to have a hose taken to it.
Some of their rulings over the last couple of years have been disgusting and unacceptable.
Businesses are hard pressed to comply with some of the new regulations.
Upon announcing a union challenge, businesses have to hand over a full roster with full contact information. Then the vote has to be held in two weeks.
This leaves very little time for the business to hold meetings and effectively counter a union action.
The NLRB may need to go. I don’t know how you handle NLRB regulations if there isn’t one. Perhaps other FReepers will have some good ideas.
“I don’t know how you handle NLRB regulations if there isn’t one. Perhaps other FReepers will have some good ideas.”
Outside of my area too. I’ll keep my eyes on Trump and ping you if he does speak up here. It could be very interesting.
Break it and DON'T replace it with anything.
So, you think he’s found religion just because he’s running for President? He’s scamming us. It’s his special talent.
His campaign stuff. But what he makes money on is made elsewhere. he’s looking like a pretty good scam artist.
Trump is right. NAFTA was and is a terrible trade agreement. We need to renegotiate every trade agreement we have. We need free trade not stupid trade.
And, I prepared to argue the matter with any Freeper who cares to argue otherwise.
The "Free Trade" now in place has very little resemblance to that envisioned by Adam Smith.
You know, the version that has never existed.
Trump is right! Bush got screwed in this deal—Labor Unions should support dumping this NAFTA thing. Trump could get a better deal—But the powerful do not want this—cheap labor means more profits. Problem is No jobs means workers can’t buy their cheap China/Mexico stuff! Why Americans are paid NOT to work.
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