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To: grundle
I have a 2015 Passat TDI SEL and am very pleased with it. Interstate mileage on long trips - 42-44 mpg. Decent acceleration from the combination of high torque output engine and well designed 6 speed dual clutch transmission. A very solid, quiet, comfortable car, with very low fuel costs.

I leased the car, intending and expecting to purchase it off the end of the lease. If the solution is the installation of new software, or firmware, that has the effect of meeting emissions profiles that incidentally has the effect of lowering efficiency and reducing performance, this is really going to change the demand for the car on the used market 2 years hence. I'll be sure to offer to return the car at the end of lease, and see what VW offers, certainly a much lower buyout price than established at purchase.

Heads are most likely going to roll on a high level at VW over this.

About 20 hours after the news broke - I googled “VW Class action -emissions software” and found a law firm in Vegas that was already announcing a class action suit.

6 posted on 09/20/2015 4:11:16 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (qaulification)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
Friday’s development raises questions if other automakers, including General Motors Co., BMW AG and Mercedes-Benz USA, were harmed because they had to follow diesel emissions rules.

The class action because after the patch, the mpg goes down and so does the resale value.

The EPA will collect one BIZILLION dollars, the attorneys will only receive one half bizillion dollars.

The TDI owners will receive a certificate good for 20% off their next fill up. Only valid between 2 and 3 AM at selected locations. (Note: Locations selected to help underprivileged neighborhoods.)

12 posted on 09/20/2015 4:42:30 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (BINGO!)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
I'll believe VW over the epa any day of the week.

The epa is full of zealots who don't believe there is any such thing as a clean diesel. VW needs to tell the epa to prove their allegations or STFU.

18 posted on 09/20/2015 5:00:53 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

And the fines for VW, per car, were about $35K. More than the price of the car.

Meanwhile, I have one. Works fine. Don’t want it ruined.

I could dribble a gallon of diesel out over 45 miles, to evaporate into the air, and no one would ever know it. Not even the vapor-sensitive Polar Bear.


21 posted on 09/20/2015 5:12:21 PM PDT by Scrambler Bob (Using 4th keyboard due to wearing out the "/" and "s" on the previous 3)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken

They are great engines. I have an older Golf TDI with 335,000 miles on it. I drive it a hundred miles a day.


28 posted on 09/20/2015 5:52:13 PM PDT by Colorado Doug (Now I know how the Indians felt to be sold out for a few beads and trinkets)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
I just replaced a 2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid with a 2015 F150 Crew Cab 4x4 with 3.5L Eco-Boost engine. The Mariner promised 32 MPG. It delivered that ONCE. On average, it delivered 26 MPG. Winters with harsh subzero temps dropped to 21 1/2 MPG. Summers around 26 MPG. Spring/Fall (fair weather) 28 MPG. I live at 4600 ft. The one time it delivered the claimed mileage was in the Spring in San Diego (sea level) with no air conditioner and cruise control on a steady freeway trip.

The new truck delivers 20 MPG when ripping down I-15 at 80 MPH (Pocatello to Idaho Falls) with the air conditioner running. We have topped 26 MPG traveling a steady 65 MPH on the way to Yellowstone National Park. Seeing that result, we tried going State Route 91 from Idaho Falls to Pocatello at 55 MPH (where posted) and also improved the mileage. Around town driving, it gets 18 MPG. The engine is a V6 with a 6-speed transmission with auto shutdown when stopped/idling. It has the tow package with 8500 lbs pulling capacity. Much better than the 1,000 lbs of the Mariner.

43 posted on 09/20/2015 11:43:27 PM PDT by Myrddin
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