Posted on 09/17/2015 9:50:14 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
Which, on reflection, may have been exactly what CNN was trying to do. Will be interesting to see if the Dem debate has more gravitas, better questions, and so on.
Not a bunch of Jr. High posing and backbiting.
Indeed.
The poll on the Drudge Report is probably as accurate a bellwether of public perception of the debate as can be taken.
I agree too, but Walker should be in the loser bracket, and Trump in the middle. I don’t think Trump helped himself, but he didn’t hurt himself last night. I expect Fiorina to take Carson’s place at number two.
It just happens to be accurate.
Trump’s diminished support comes from the protest voters who don’t care about his shallow demeanor or content free platitudes.
I agree with you somewhat in that I don’t think he made any major mistakes that would turn off his loyalists - he was the same as the last debate - but he didn’t make anybody else take him seriously. Where he is in trouble now is that his schtick is wearing thin - he tried being The Donald from the get-go with the odd non-sequitur attack on Paul, and the crowd wasn’t playing along. From that point on his jokes and digs fell with a thud and it made him look out of place. Once Carly put him in his place he was off his game and kind of became a non-factor to the rest of the candidates.
You can tell this time was different, though, because the Trump contingent here, instead of feigning outrage about his treatment, have instead focused on tearing down Fiorina. By this they acknowledge that she was the clear shining star last night and stole a good deal of his thunder. He’s got his fairly high floor of core supporters (probably 15-20%), but the rest of his current support comes from the curious window shoppers who come out in every primary. My prediction is that Trump from here starts to slip closer to his 20% core while she begins to take most of Carson’s support as the alternative outsider, as well as some of those 10% or so who have been flirting with Trump.
Walker is in the lower group....although some say middle but after first debate he was pretty done. Yep he is my candidate but I am honest enough to say he is screwed. America doesn’t want a guy who gets things done. Too bad for us. The only reason I bring up Cruz is because for months I heard how brilliant he is at debates.....well he isn’t.
I hear you. I think that low-key style is was people first saw in Dr. Carson, but last night he showed he didn't have substance. Rubio's style and level of information might have been where Carson's supporters went.
As far as debate performances I agree with the column for the most part. Rubio and Fiorina performed very well. Trump spent the first half insulting people and making childish faces then went utterly mute when issues of policy and substance came up.
I’m disappointed in Drudge. I don’t blame him for running his joke of a poll, but it shouldn’t be the major headline today. It is an online poll, the same sort that Ron Paul used to win by huge margins.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/17/media/cnn-republican-debate-ratings/index.html
“Wednesday’s prime time GOP debate averaged 22.9 million viewers, making it the most-watched program in CNN’s history.”
Overall, all the candidates had some good comments and sounded better than Hillary. However, I don't trust Rubio at all. Who can forget how effectively he lied about amnesty to get elected?
All polls I have seen have Trump way ahead, with Carly a distant second. How could Rubio have won?
BTW, Cruz was not given enough time.
Nobody really self-destructed, even in the early round of also rans, although Carson really does not seem to have a realistic chance and Rand Paul cannot be the nominee despite his ability to enunciate his principles, they are simply not mainstream enough on foreign policy to overcomea limit of about 20% support. It’s up to the primary voters to sort this out now. I continue to think that Cruz and Jindal are the two best candidates and hope that they can impress in Iowa and New Hampshire. Could live with Trump but major questions remain. Rubio, Christie, Pataki, and Walker are all in there with a chance. Fiorina does nothing for me and I wonder about her baggage being as bad as Hillary’s negatives, a campaign between them would invite either mass emigration or a third party.
Not much else in the way of winners. Cruz, well, cruised, Carly did her job in becoming the new GOPe flavor of the moment (she was going to win in their eyes no matter what she did or said...) The dwarves did their part by attacking Trump, Trump was - well, Trump. Bush had a bit of life, so maybe the checks to his PACs won't be cancelled.
Carson - well, he honestly should have just avoided the debate entirely - that would be the only way to save his second place standing in the polls. Call him the big loser - he was lost among the dwarves.
End of the day, little has changed... Bush stands poised to save the Republican party, umm, if he ever figures out where the start line is. Rubio and the other dwarves stand ready to carry him over the line, Carly's turn as the new second place was assured before the debate started, and still only one man on the stage had the slightest clue how to actually campaign for votes.
I yet again faced the normal liberal barrage on Facebook this morning, as they mocked how there was no plan (or way) to deport 11 million illegals - I thanked them for actually calling them illegals for once, noted that their number is likely only a 3rd of the illegals in the US, and asked the question they usually fumble with - how did 30 million illegals get here? Why are they here?
Eventually, even the dimmest eventually conceded that they come here for the money, and came here on their own, and likely could just as easily leave on their own as well. Dry up the money, dry up the benefits, dry up the squat out the anchor baby, and the flood will turn the other way.
Fiorina is like an egg sandwich which tastes good on the.first bite but by the third bite it feels like it is.expanding in your mouth and you can’t swallow it.
Not enough mayo?
The Huckster’s comments and comparison of religious accomodation for Kimberly Harris were spot-on. But would SOMEONE please counter the “public servant not enforcing Federal law” (I know there isn’t a law, but that’s not my point) of Kimberly Harris with those public servants in santuary cities NOT enforcing (real) Federal immigration laws?
That comparison conflates the 2 issues of gay marriage and the pro-illegal crowd, and would be powerful in a debate setting.
He was being sidelined, quite literally. The guy just doesn’t seem to have the presence. Also, yesterday’s debate was all about Trump but Cruz, being a good friend, just remained quiet. Not good.
Sorry I disagree with this...
I think Christie is the only one gained anything. Not my guy, but he’s the only guy other than Trump that came across with a personality.
Trump will likely pick up points with the fall of Carson.
Carly didn’t do anything, I don’t know what debate the press was watching to think she went anywhere.
Carson, done.. nice guy, but insanely unpolished.. his spike is over, and will drop in the polls.
The rest of the pack didn’t move their needles at all.
The only person to beat the libs is Trump.
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