Posted on 09/07/2015 11:07:16 AM PDT by Enlightened1
Edited on 09/07/2015 11:23:24 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Contemptible nonsense - HR does that.
Lying to those who aren't your subordinate takes skills, huh?
You are a tricky one!
“Union Propaganda” - I call BS. Most IT people are not and have never been members of a union. Including myself.
I have trained my replacements three times in my 26 year IT career - then I was laid off. The deal is, you stay and train them and we pay you a certain amount of money. Or you can quit and get nothing. Your choice. Entire departments get outsourced/offshored in the same way.
Besides SOP, current procedure and policy, they are trained on every aspect of the job as it is done at that time. We don’t teach people IT because it is assumed that they come in with some IT knowledge. More apparent in some than in others of course.
You know, if the IT dept. sucked ‘Big Time’ as you say, that is more a failure of management than anything else.
All those laid off people can probably collect for tens of weeks, be eligible for retraining at government (me and yours) expense and also while they are school being retrained, they can collect unemployment for an extended time and quality for medical care and foodstamps. Costs our country tons of money to outsource. And some of the older IT people will never be employed again. I’ve seen it happen.
This is going on every day at major IT companies in the U.S.. H1B’s...don’t bother outsourcing..just insource.
See? You call it BS, which affirms that you have never been entrusted with the responsibility of making sound personnel decisions. If you had ever been in the role where you had to decide what staffing model best served the enterprise, you would have much more astute observations.
Bottom line: it’s not easy deciding which model best serves the enterprise and *it’s full-time employees*. Rest assured that most folks in the position to make these decisions usually have three concerns in mind:
1. The growth and prosperity of the enterprise.
2. How to hire others to share in that growth and prosperity.
3. How to make the best decisions so you never have to lay off your good people, because that sucks.
It’s the same reason, Trumpette, why The Donald has his Signature Suits made in Mexico. I bet you overlook that, though.
How? Reasserting a gratuitous assertion does not make it any less gratuitous. Further, shifting the topic from hiring practices to terminations is a pretty naked appeal to "drama."
If you had ever been in the role where you had to decide what staffing model best served the enterprise, you would have much more astute observations.
Such as?
Rest assured that most folks in the position to make these decisions usually have three concerns in mind:1. The growth and prosperity of the enterprise. 2. How to hire others to share in that growth and prosperity. 3. How to make the best decisions so you never have to lay off your good people, because that sucks.
I rest assured in the knowledge that mission statements, ad-hoc or not, rarely have much to do with actual practices.
Nope. Doing the jobs that Americans won’t do WELL and will ask for a ridiculous sum of money to do a poor job. THAT would be accurate.
You can't tell them they're not worth that, and how do you know they don't do a good job if you haven't hired them?
Again, sounds like management issue to me.
We forgot when we elected Bush 41 that he was a Rockfeller Republican.
There are reasons that companies hire H1B visas, and they stem from Government policy.
1. The Federal Government gives tax breaks and credits for hiring H1B visas
2. Employers do not have to pay FICA or unemployment taxes on these workers, nor do they have to pay for healthcare for them (they are exempt from Obamacare)
3. Hiring H1B visa holders helps companies meet mandatory Federal diversity quotas
4. Treaties and laws require the hiring of H1B visas by large companies, if they do not hire them they could face fines and/or criminal action.
Source???
” Showing people SOP, current procedure, and policy isn’t the same thing as teaching someone IT.”
That is a load of hogwash. I worked for a fortune 500 company for years, and now work for government contractors. When employees are notified of layoffs, two things happen.
The rank and file production workers get at best a two week notice. they are watched very closely.
Anytime a support person, engineering type gets laid off, they are escorted out on the spot.
Disney management must be awful to allow such substandard employees to be that awful, yet give them raises and recognize them as top performers, then lay them of because they weren’t any good, but keep them to train their replacements.
My experience with foreign technical workers is that they do substandard work. Everybody knows what is going on here. Save a buck.
Congress ought to pass a law that any H1_b brought in must be paid 1% more than the top pay in that company for the same work.
As a general rule, I try to avoid arguments with idiots, so consider this exchange terminated.
Government definitely created this horrible situation. It seems to grow larger every year and it’s hard to keep track of all the legislation. There’s that Hatch bill floating around too.
Do you have a link/example for the fourth item on your list? I’m flabbergasted existing treaties require H1B visas.
never lived in the beltway you jack ass.....
Trump agrees and advocates for exactly the same.
Source for the article is the same union drone who has repeatedly shopped this article around (and I think it is the 12th time it has been on FreeRepublic from different publications and web blogs in the last year.)
Sources for my information are first hand experience, family in cast, and multiple employees who have been posting in the cast forums for years, including those in the shut down department who have transferred to other positions at Disney World, as every cast member in the department was offered.
Whatever it takes for you to save face, dude.
I considered this exchange “terminated” when you introduced term d’art into an open discussion. It’s the sign of someone running for cover, rhetorically speaking....
cc Thunder90
Re”Do you have a link/example for the fourth item on your list? I’m flabbergasted existing treaties require H1B visas.”
Here’s two articles to start. Visas are a little discussed part of ‘Free Trade’ agreements. they mandate x number of visas regardless of the unemployment rate in the US. The vasas are enforced by the unelected technocrats at the WTO.
Be Our Guest: Trade Agreements and Visas
http://cis.org/TradeAgreements-Visas
Embedded Visas — ‘Free Trade’ Means a Flow of Workers Across Borders
http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc1402/article_1200.shtml
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