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To: kabar

The US doesn’t seem to have a very good record with regime changes. I guess it started with Batista in Cuba and through the Shah of Iran. At least in my memory. Neither of those turned out to be in our benefit. Then we lost in Vietnam and now we seem to have messed up across the Mid East.

But, and this is the problem, with the influx of refugees across the globe, what should we do? The EU is in a mess with no borders and massive numbers of refugees and the US is in a mess with Central America, China and other refugees.

What would you suggest the answer is? I don’t relish the thought of sending people back to ISIS knowing they will get killed.


72 posted on 09/06/2015 7:51:16 AM PDT by Morgan in Denver (Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free.)
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To: Morgan in Denver
What would you suggest the answer is? I don’t relish the thought of sending people back to ISIS knowing they will get killed.

Arm them if they are willing to go back in and fight for their lives, land, and freedom.

They deserve nothing else.

86 posted on 09/06/2015 8:28:39 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Morgan in Denver
What would you suggest the answer is? I don’t relish the thought of sending people back to ISIS knowing they will get killed.

The vast majority of these people were safe in refugee camps in Turkey, Jordan etc. There are almost two million in Turkey alone. So it is not a matter of sending them back to ISIS.

I watch British and German news daily. There are a sizable number of refugees who are coming from Afghanistan and the Balkans. Many of those coming from North Africa are from sub-Sahara Africa. They are not all from Syria.

How helpful will it be to settle more Muslims into Europe and the US? What are the security and cultural implications? How many should we take in? Why are they all headed to the West rather than to neighboring countries who have the same heritage? What impact does this have on the economic welfare of the citizens of Europe and the US? Is it a refugee's right to be admitted?

Unfortunately, many of the European countries and ourselves have made it almost obligatory to take in refugees and then grant them asylum, read permanent residency.

There is a prophetic book by Jean Raspail, The Camp of the Saints that was written in 1975. I am rereading it now. The plot summary via Wikipedia:

The Camp of the Saints is a novel about population migration and its consequences. In Calcutta, India, the Belgian government announces a policy in which Indian babies will be adopted and raised in Belgium. The policy is reversed after the Belgian consulate is inundated with poverty-stricken parents eager to give up their infant children.

An Indian "wise man" then rallies the masses to make a mass exodus to live in Europe. Most of the story centers on the French Riviera, where almost no one remains except for the military and a few civilians, including a retired professor who has been watching the huge fleet of run-down freighters approaching the French coast.

The story alternates between the French reaction to the mass immigration and the attitude of the immigrants. They have no desire to assimilate into French culture but want the goods that are in short supply in their native India. Although the novel focuses on France, the rest of the West shares its fate.

Near the end of the story the mayor of New York City is made to share Gracie Mansion with three families from Harlem, the Queen of the United Kingdom must agree to have her son marry a Pakistani woman, and only one drunken Soviet soldier stands in the way of thousands of Chinese people as they swarm into Siberia. The one holdout until the end of the novel is Switzerland, but by then international pressure isolating it as a rogue state for not opening its borders forces it to capitulate.

The book was and is very controversial. A review from Time magazine at the time summed it up this way:

"[This novel} shrewdly exploits a dilemma that the world my will face: the moment when the burgeoning Third World rises from misery and forces the West to share more of its resources."

103 posted on 09/06/2015 9:34:50 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Morgan in Denver

Yes! Was it Jimmy Carter who supported and succeeding in taking the Shah out of power? What happy days there were under him compared to what followed.

Wonder if there are any citizens old enough to remember that?


116 posted on 09/06/2015 10:46:30 AM PDT by altura (Cruz for our country)
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