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To: kabar
The vast majority of Reagan's 1983 changes were immediate changes. Among other things, it increased taxes. It took some guts.

The proposals you talk about are the proposals of cowards. "In 10 years, things are going to be different. Blah, blah, blah."

Paul Ryan has no idea what our health care system will be like in 10 years. Do you really believe that there will be no changes to Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, etc. between now and then?

If the idea is a good one, why wait for 10 years? In case you can't figure it out, the reason for the 10 year delay is that your fella can't sell the idea to people who receive actually Medicare or to people who will soon be receiving Medicare. So, he thinks he can sell it to people who aren't yet focused on the reality of Medicare in their own lives. And, he knows that in 10 years, everything is likely to be so different that it won't fit in with the rest of our system anyway. In short, he gets to pretend that he's doing something while in fact he's doing nothing. Your idea that in 10 years, the people "won't have a choice" would sound arrogant if it weren't so ridiculous. Of course, people will have a choice about the way that they operate their health care system in 10 years.

The only way to really reduce costs in a program is to reduce them now. And, your fella doesn't have the courage to even suggest that. So, excuse me for ignoring him like the rest of the country is ignoring him.

198 posted on 08/30/2015 7:02:46 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Tau Food
The vast majority of Reagan's 1983 changes were immediate changes. Among other things, it increased taxes. It took some guts.

But the most important and impactful one was phased in up thru 2027.

Increases the delayed retirement credit in gradual steps from 3 percent for workers reaching full benefit retirement age (age 65) before 1990, to 8 percent for workers reaching full benefit retirement age after 2008.

Raises the age of eligibility for unreduced retirement benefits in two stages to 67 by the year 2027. Workers born in 1938 will be the first group affected by the gradual increase. Benefits will still be available at age 62, but with greater reduction.

The proposals you talk about are the proposals of cowards. "In 10 years, things are going to be different. Blah, blah, blah."

You don't seem to understand what is meant by saying that those 55 and older will not be affected by the changes. The law is implemented immediately. The same thing happened with the increase in the age for full SS retirement benefits.

If the idea is a good one, why wait for 10 years? In case you can't figure it out, the reason for the 10 year delay is that your fella can't sell the idea to people who receive actually Medicare or to people who will soon be receiving Medicare.

You cannot possibly be that dense. People 55 and older will remain under the old rules. For example, if they were to raise the age for Medicare to 70, what happens to those receiving Medicare who are 66?

The only way to really reduce costs in a program is to reduce them now. And, your fella doesn't have the courage to even suggest that. So, excuse me for ignoring him like the rest of the country is ignoring him.

No, you can really reduce costs by implementing a phased in program just like they did with the increase in the SS age for full benefits. It was law in 1983 and is still being implemented.

We can only go around this tree so many times. I can't get through to you so let's just agree to disagree. Bye.

201 posted on 08/30/2015 7:20:02 PM PDT by kabar
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