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Lawmaker wants Wisconsin DOT to slow down on traffic roundabouts
Wisconsiin Watchdog ^ | 8-29-15 | Paul Brennan

Posted on 08/29/2015 3:14:16 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

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To: Crazieman
Every experienced trucker drives with a round-a-bout (In Mass we call them rotaries) mentality

Watch (if you can) a driver slow down, maintain a distance and never stop moving, even in (almost) stalled traffic

We NEVER want to shift nor interrupt our favorite radio station

We sit high enough we can see ahead to provide a huge hole for the big truck wanting to merge in ... and never break momentum

THAT'S the mentality of using a rotary .... KNOW what it is .... WHERE you're going, PREPARE in advance your line of attack and just DO it.

easy peasy and Go 'head, gran'maw ... you can get in ....

21 posted on 08/29/2015 4:00:25 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: 1rudeboy

maybe that is why the state song is “on Wisconsin.” they’d forget and sit stopped forever otherwise?


22 posted on 08/29/2015 4:03:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I was just in the Detroit area for a week of training and heard that many roundabouts are being installed there. What I’m hearing is they are good once people get used to them, but there is a real learning curve.

I suspect we’ll be fine with them as they become more common, but I can’t say I’m looking forward to them. It’s one area I’ll be fine with letting automated cars taking over for me and saving me the stress of dealing with it. ;-)


23 posted on 08/29/2015 4:03:53 AM PDT by Another Post-American (Jesus died for your sins.)
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To: 1rudeboy
THAT is an American problem

Americans have been SO intimidated and terrorized by SO MANY things in life, (did that food be processed with peanuts?) ... they WANT to be stopped, given a time out, before THEY ARE ALLOWED (red, MAY I?) to continue

red lights and stop signs are for discourteous people that don't know how to drive.

24 posted on 08/29/2015 4:05:15 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: 1rudeboy; KC_Lion

Kansas has the same issue.

There’s also the mentality of “THIS IS MY LANE! I REFUSE TO BE COURTEOUS AND MOVE!” It makes merging hell.

I found it more stress free driving in Los Angeles than Wichita.

Kansas City is a whole different matter.

Speed limit: 60; Construction Zone, Speed limit: 40. I’m doing 70 and being passed like I’m standing still.


25 posted on 08/29/2015 4:05:49 AM PDT by Crazieman (Article V or National Divorce. The only solutions now.)
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To: knarf

They make sense in traffic flow sometimes. Stop, start, stop, start can be wearing on time, fuel, brakes, and patience.


26 posted on 08/29/2015 4:07:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
There is a GREAT sense of personal stisfaction when you accomplish a drving experience that never stopped 'flowing', put a smile on both of your faces (driver courtesy) and it was done in record time

You park your car and find yourself whistling

Hi chief ..... Naaahhhh ... piece o'cake

27 posted on 08/29/2015 4:17:56 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: PIF

Does anybody care about visual clutter? Each roundabout in the little town adjacent to us has between 13 and 15 warning signs facing each direction (times 4) while a normal stoplight has 4 (maximum 8) warning signs. 60 warning signs protruding up in the air on a rural road is a little excessive. And the speed limit sign for the roundabout? It’s really small and can be easily missed.

I’m not thanking ex-Gov. Doyle for anything!


28 posted on 08/29/2015 4:18:45 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Wisconsin has many, many tractor-trailers and much farm machinery on the roads. Roundabouts DON’T work well with those.

It is a solution that drivers do not request, and do not like after the fact.


29 posted on 08/29/2015 4:20:26 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"They make people slow down. And that’s what I want DOT to do, too."

That kind of defeats the purpose of driving, no?

They ought to be finding ways of increasing the speed of travel, not decreasing it.

30 posted on 08/29/2015 4:20:36 AM PDT by meyer (There is no political solution to this troubling evolution...)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
If large trucks have trouble with them and avoid them as mentioned in the article, that would also tend to attract more small vehicles.

Very true. What is not taken into consideration with traffic models, is these kind of decisions that people make.

31 posted on 08/29/2015 4:22:16 AM PDT by D Rider
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To: Crazieman

Traffic Circle navigation is a matter of balancing courtesy with aggressiveness. There are 3 traffic circles in Flemington, NJ... 2 of which have been screwed around with because nitwits don’t know how to drive.

The 2 circles on RT 22 in Alpha have both been destroyed and turned into actively signalled intersections (now featuring red light cameras).

The Somerville Circle on 202 exists as as a shell of itself with a massive flyover bridge and signals.

The goal shoukd be is to flow traffic naturally without the need for millions of Dollars worth of traffic signals that require mandatory monthly testing and repair.


32 posted on 08/29/2015 4:24:51 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Crazieman

Or like the idiots here that stop in the roundabout to let other people in.


33 posted on 08/29/2015 4:27:00 AM PDT by maddog55 (America Rising a new Civil War needs to happen.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I am familiar with the roundabouts in New Jersey and I am familiar with the quality of the drivers in New Jersey as compared to Germany. The roundabouts in Germany work quite successfully but the level of competence of the drivers in Germany far exceeds the drivers in New Jersey. Be prepared for long hours of instruction, a very rigorous written test, a very difficult on road test, and thousands of euros of driving school costs to obtain a drivers license in Germany.

The end result, a population of drivers who are all weather, all terrain, and all conditions of visibility trained, knowledgeable, and capable. There is a reason why the country that invented the motorcar, really invented the superhighway, manages it all so well even with unlimited speed limits in places.

The fault ain't in the roundabouts.


34 posted on 08/29/2015 4:27:43 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Crazieman
Otherwise it can be frustrating as hell. People either barging in and not yielding, or people who treat it as a stop sign.

As opposed to here in SW Pennsylvania where we have what looks like four or three way stop signs where one direction doesn't have to yield, including sometimes where even those making the left has right of way? They seem to work fine for us locals familiar with the particular intersection, but I recall how frustrating they were when I first moved here. To be safe, you'd have to stop at every such intersection and figure out the signage from every direction from the shape of the back of the signs before proceeding.

We are getting our first roundabouts installed in the next couple of years . . . so we're going to have to learn the rules.

I've noticed two places in the country have a lot of roundabouts-- New England, which I suppose is a heritage thing, and cities near I-15 in the Rocky Mountain states. I'm not sure who to blame for the later. Maybe the Mormon pioneers who came from New England?

35 posted on 08/29/2015 4:29:02 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: 1rudeboy
Dude. We're talking about Wisconsin. Where people come to a complete stop on onramps to the Interstate instead of accelerating and merging into traffic.

And here I thought that was a SW Pennsylvania thing.

No wonder our people cheer for the Green Bay Packers once the Steelers are out of the playoffs.

36 posted on 08/29/2015 4:32:43 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: knarf
and never break momentum

I learned all about the conservation of linear momentum in my dad's diesel '82 VW Rabbit. 52 screamin' ponies of RAW naturally aspirated diesel power! Do NOT take your foot off the throttle... NEVER touch the brake... and you'll be good.

37 posted on 08/29/2015 4:38:16 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: nathanbedford

I’ve been driving since 1963.
I still haven’t learned to like these circles.


38 posted on 08/29/2015 4:42:08 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks ("If he were working for the other side, what would he be doing differently ?")
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To: Another Post-American

see my #24


39 posted on 08/29/2015 4:43:34 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Crazieman
There’s also the mentality of “THIS IS MY LANE! I REFUSE TO BE COURTEOUS AND MOVE!” It makes merging hell.

In my experience, when you are on the Interstate 78 just east of Far Hills, NJ and the Yenta in her Lexus SUV won't let you merge, I find what works best is driving a fully depreciated vehicle and just merging anyways.

40 posted on 08/29/2015 4:44:34 AM PDT by Rodamala
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