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Trump Praises His Sister, A Pro-Abortion Extremist Judge
National Review ^ | 8/27/15 | Ramesh Ponnuru

Posted on 08/28/2015 10:42:13 AM PDT by fungoking

Donald Trump told Mark Halperin yesterday that his sister, a federal judge, would be a “phenomenal” Supreme Court justice. He also said that “we will have to rule that out now, at least.” If he ever becomes president, let’s hope he rules it out permanently.

Maryanne Trump Barry came up in my book The Party of Death for writing one of those heated judicial decisions in favor of giving constitutional protection to partial-birth abortion. She called a New Jersey law against it a “desperate attempt” to undermine Roe v. Wade. It was, she wrote, “based on semantic machinations, irrational line-drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence.” It made no difference where the fetus was when it “expired.”

So: The right of abortionists to make a child “expire” by partially extracting her from the womb, sticking scissors in the back of her head, vacuuming out her brain, and crushing her skull to complete her extraction, is right there in the Constitution. But let’s please not have any “semantic machinations.”

Laws against partial-birth abortion had strong bipartisan support. They were attempts to mark an outer limit to the abortion right of Roe. If unborn children could not be protected within the womb, could they at least be protected when partway out? That would be illogical, said Judge Barry. But if the location of fetal death does not matter, then it could hardly matter if the child was all the way outside the womb. Laws against infanticide, too, must be dismissed as irrational line-drawing. The intellectual architect of the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, Hadley Arkes, mentions Judge Barry’s decision in his book on the origin of that law, explaining that it was in part designed to head off the dangerous implications of such rulings.

The Supreme Court eventually ruled that partial-birth abortion could be outlawed—but it did so by a margin of one. It’s understandable that Trump would praise his sister. But when candidates praise relatives who have served in public office—whether they’re members of the Bush, Paul, Clinton, or Trump families—voters are entitled to keep those relatives’ records in mind.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; alreadyposted; phenomenal; prolife; repoaitorytrump; trump
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To: hoosiermama
It was a technical ruling not on merits of argument. Read the actual ruling.

Do you have a link to the ruling? I didn't see it cited at all in the article. You would think they would provide a link if it supports their conclusion. In any case, I'd like to take your advice and read it.
21 posted on 08/28/2015 11:07:21 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: 9YearLurker

The Trump haters grasp onto everything.


22 posted on 08/28/2015 11:10:22 AM PDT by Red Steel (Ted Cruz: 'I'm a Big Fan of Donald Trump')
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To: Defiant

“Most people hate their sister. This is an important strike against Trump.’

That is funny.


23 posted on 08/28/2015 11:15:13 AM PDT by odawg
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To: mmichaels1970

No read it last week google should pull it up. The article I read was written shortly after the decision. Barry is very close to Sam Alito. She spoke at his confirmation hearing which you may also want to read
She is older than Donald and retired. Not much chance she will do anything but advice and be there for her little brother (who she knew at a young age not to challenge or become competitive) Trump says she’s very reserved and sometimes wonders if they had the same parents


24 posted on 08/28/2015 11:15:36 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Read my lips: no more Bushes)
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To: hoosiermama
It was a technical ruling not on merits of argument. Read the actual ruling.

False. I don't know what ruling you looked at but the one in this case from the Third Circuit is absolutely on the merits.

25 posted on 08/28/2015 11:16:06 AM PDT by gdani (No sacred cows)
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To: gdani

What part of UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Do you not understand? That qua the lower court ruling which was upheld by the Court of Appeals


26 posted on 08/28/2015 11:20:35 AM PDT by hoosiermama ( Read my lips: no more Bushes)
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To: BigEdLB
Trump is loyal to his family.

I seem to remember a bunch of people on this forum questioning Cruz's conservative bona fides simply due to the job his wife held. Considering Trump's recent personal views on abortion, his opinion of PP as providing good services, etc., it does not seem unreasonable to consider whether his statement about his sister as a good candidate for SCOTUS should give us concern over the types of judges he would appoint.

In general, I would not hold the actions or political positions of a family member against a candidate. But when the candidate endorses those positions by suggesting that family member would be a good candidate for an office that would allow them to IMPLEMENT those positions, that is a problem for the candidate.

27 posted on 08/28/2015 11:31:55 AM PDT by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: hoosiermama
What part of UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Do you not understand?

I understand a trial court in New Jersey struck down New Jersey's law on partial-birth abortion and a panel of the Third Circuit, including Trump's sister, affirmed that ruling. In an opinion written by Trump's sister. On the merits, not any technicalities.

That qua the lower court ruling which was upheld by the Court of Appeals

Please rewrite in English.

28 posted on 08/28/2015 11:33:27 AM PDT by gdani (No sacred cows)
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To: BigEdLB
I like a lot of what Trump is saying and doing. Someone needs to put a needle in the overinflated PC balloon.

What I fear of a President Trump is that he is a VERY recent convert to the Republican party (let's be honest, there should be an “R” after his name but a “T”). He's a lifelong liberal dim who is soft on social issues. He's more liberal than Bush 41, and if 41 gave us Souter what would Trump give us.

With Roberts deciding that the SC is an equal legislative branch it makes the next SC nominee even more critical.

29 posted on 08/28/2015 11:34:03 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: fungoking

These folks were happy at NR with that great conservative justice Roberts who gave us Obamacare and Kennedy appointed by Ronald Reagan who ruled in favor of the gay marriage tyranny.

The time for political whining about judges to promote the next election cycle for the Republican Party is over and the time to disobey them with spiritual passion is upon us.

This is political spin and smear that doesn’t count in my estimation of Trump. I don’t support him but I won’t participate in his destruction by the GOPe and their media organs.


30 posted on 08/28/2015 11:34:24 AM PDT by Nextrush (FREEDOM IS EVERYBODY'S BUSINESS, REMEMBER PASTOR NIEMOLLER)
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To: fungoking

Dear Jeb. I don’t care. I will never vote for another Bush. After W left office, Laura “came out” as pro abortion and pro gay marriage. You just can’t trust any Bush.


31 posted on 08/28/2015 11:38:54 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: fungoking

Trump the buffoon and the truth, my goodness


32 posted on 08/28/2015 11:51:18 AM PDT by italianquaker
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To: hoosiermama
Ok here is a link to the ruling. I'm no lawyer, but it appears Alito concurred with the opinion. And SCOTUS ruled unconstitutional an identical law in Nebraska at about the same time.

Here is the relevant text:

We agree. The Supreme Court has been explicit: [HN6] It is a basic principle of due process that an enactment is void for vagueness if its prohibitions are not clearly defined. Vague laws offend several[**18] important values.First, because we assume that man is free to steer between lawful and unlawful conduct, we insist that laws give the person of ordinary intelligence a reasonable opportunity to know what is prohibited, so that he may act accordingly. Vague laws may trap the innocent by not providing fair warning. Second, if arbitrary and discriminatory enforcement is to be prevented, laws must provide explicit standards for those who apply them.

I also caught another case where she awarded an anti-abortion activist $10,000 for being harassed by clinic employees while protesting at the entrance to a clinic.
33 posted on 08/28/2015 12:01:30 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: fungoking

Alrighty, then let’s talk about Cruz’ wife and Jeb’s wife.


34 posted on 08/28/2015 12:02:14 PM PDT by bgill ( CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: gdani
In an opinion written by Trump's sister. On the merits, not any technicalities.

From what I read, she said it was too vague. Don't know if that relates to "merits" or "technicalities", but the way I read her opinion she implied that the law lacked specificity in defining what a partial birth abortion was.

Alito, who concurred with the ruling, did so not because of the vagueness stated by Barry, but because he felt that the SCOTUS had already set precedent in striking down Nebraska's partial birth abortion ban. To him, it was the job of the court to follow SCOTUS precedent.

Now SCOTUS struck down Nebraska, from what I gather here, due to lack of "life of the mother" exceptions and for entirely banning methods that could be used in non-partial birth abortion situations.

I certainly can't hold my own in a legal debate though. Just doing my best to interpret what I'm reading here. What do I make of this and conclude? Absolutely no freaking idea.
35 posted on 08/28/2015 12:13:09 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970

From what I read last week she has a n excellent reputation for consistency and following the letter of the law

ThAnks for your research


36 posted on 08/28/2015 12:31:23 PM PDT by hoosiermama ( Read my lips: no more Bushes)
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To: gdani; hoosiermama
Ugh...that part looks like "on the merits" to me. Yuck.

The Legislature's argument that [**47] Roe and Casey are inapplicable to "partial--birth" abortion procedures because such procedures are infanticide rather than abortion is based on semantic machinations, irrational line--drawing, and an obvious attempt to inflame public opinion instead of logic or medical evidence. Positing an "unborn" versus "partially born" distinction, the Legislature would have us accept, and the public believe, that during a "partial--birth abortion" the fetus is in the process of being "born" at the time of its demise. It is not. A woman seeking an abortion is plainly not seeking to give birth.

Moreover, that the life of the fetus is terminated when a "substantial portion" has passed through the cervix and is in the vaginal canal, does not without more transform an abortion procedure into infanticide. Again, the medical evidence clearly indicates that in many conventional abortion procedures the fetus may be killed,

37 posted on 08/28/2015 12:31:35 PM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: fungoking
Whatever you think about Trump, remember this.

All this was made possible by the duplicity and cowardice of GOPE.

38 posted on 08/28/2015 12:41:52 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Whatever you think about Trump, remember this.
All this was made possible by the duplicity and cowardice of GOPE.

AGREED!

39 posted on 08/28/2015 12:43:02 PM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: mmichaels1970
From what I read, she said it was too vague. Don't know if that relates to "merits" or "technicalities"

Vagueness is always an issue brought up in these cases. So is overbreadth. Those are merit-based arguments, not based on technicalities. Technicalities have more to do with, say, whether someone has standing to bring the lawsuit in the first place.

In the latter situations, courts must then decide whether someone does, in fact, have standing before they move on to the merits of the case (if the person does not have standing they almost always then jettison the case without deciding on the merits).

Alito, who concurred with the ruling, did so not because of the vagueness stated by Barry, but because he felt that the SCOTUS had already set precedent in striking down Nebraska's partial birth abortion ban. To him, it was the job of the court to follow SCOTUS precedent.

That's essentially correct.

Now SCOTUS struck down Nebraska, from what I gather here, due to lack of "life of the mother" exceptions and for entirely banning methods that could be used in non-partial birth abortion situations.

It should be noted, after the Nebraska case, SCOTUS accepted a partial-birth case from a different state & basically overturned its previous ruling.

40 posted on 08/28/2015 12:44:49 PM PDT by gdani (No sacred cows)
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