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1 posted on 08/27/2015 5:52:59 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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“Jus soli” renders the jurisdiction phrase superfluous and redundant because the preceding phrase, “in the United States,” identifies the geography. Being subject to U.S. laws applies to citizens and aliens. “Subject to the jurisdiction thereof” is concerned with one’s political allegiance to the United States and no other, as Howard and Trumball said.


2 posted on 08/27/2015 5:57:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (WhatÂ’s the difference between Obama and government bonds? Government bonds will mature someday)
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I agree with all that.

But it does not matter.

At some point, a court case will come before the US Supreme Court and nine people will look at the legal language, and weigh all the precedent and then they will make an arbitrary decision that makes them feel good about themselves.

Until that happens, it’s all idle speculation which cannot achieve a darn thing.


3 posted on 08/27/2015 6:01:35 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Cruz is still my #1, but Trump is impressing the hell out of me.)
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Our candidates (when challenged on what we should do about the "American children" born of illegal immigrants) should stop the interviewer (whether it be Megan, Ramos or anyone in between) and clearly state that "they are by definition NOT American children" and therefore can be removed along with their parents according to the law and without guilt!

Whether or not we decide that this is the best course of action can perhaps be a discussion/debate for another day once the wall has been built to stop the flow inbound.
4 posted on 08/27/2015 6:04:00 PM PDT by MaskedMan
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The best part of all of this is that it is now FRONT AND CENTER as a National issue.

And it is not just blowing away the timid, but outing the traitors: Baby Bush spends his whole campaign bloviating for illegal aliens and their non-existent right to call their children Americans, as if they had the right to make that designation.

We won’t even talk about the Rats. We KNOW where their loyalties lie without asking.

Lotta people here say “well, Iraq and Iran are real issues, this is just peripheral”.

Nonsense. It is the central issue: Who is an American?

And who will rule us? The children of Mexico, or eventually our children?


7 posted on 08/27/2015 6:07:44 PM PDT by Regulator
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Author must be reading my posts. Lol. I made this same argument on this very website quit some time ago. My example used members of the communist party from china visiting here for whatever reason and the wife goes into labor early and has the baby here. . The child having been raised in china as a loyal Chinese communist returns to the US and after age 35 he runs for president.

clearly the framers did not have this definition of natural born citizen in mind when they added that requirement as it offers no protection whatsoever.

9 posted on 08/27/2015 6:15:47 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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