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To: Nero Germanicus
I think you just made my point. People who aren’t citizens can be “hung, jailed and fined” because they are under the jurisdiction of U.S. law.

We're not going to do the dipsy doodle here. We are specifically referring to people born *IN* the United States, who's legal status was "NON CITIZEN", but yet who were still "subject to the jurisdiction" of our laws.

The salient aspect of this is that the "jurisdiction" of our criminal laws is not the same "jurisdiction" referred to in the 14th amendment, else being subject to these criminal laws would make Citizens of Indians born here.

If being Subject to Criminal laws in the United States doesn't make Citizens out of Indians, it also doesn't make citizens out of foreign Indians.

71 posted on 08/28/2015 11:18:43 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

The point is not about who is a citizen. The point is about who is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States and the answer is both citizens and residents.

31 CFR 515.329 - Person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

§ 515.329 Person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
The term person subject to the jurisdiction of the United States includes:
(a) Any individual, wherever located, who is a citizen or resident of the United States;
(b) Any person within the United States as defined in § 515.330;
(c) Any corporation, partnership, association, or other organization organized under the laws of the United States or of any State, territory, possession, or district of the United States; and
(d) Any corporation, partnership, association, or other organization, wherever organized or doing business, that is owned or controlled by persons specified in paragraphs (a) or (c) of this section.]
[50 FR 27437, July 3, 1985, as amended at 68 FR 14145, Mar. 24, 2003]


77 posted on 08/28/2015 11:52:49 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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