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Sorry, Donald Trump: America needs birthright citizenship
The Week ^ | August 24, 2015 | Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry

Posted on 08/24/2015 4:18:22 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: SaveFerris

He looks related to the pajama boy.That passes for a man in france.No wonder they are up shits creek.


21 posted on 08/24/2015 4:30:10 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Steely Tom; HANG THE EXPENSE

All these foreign “experts” are cheering on the destruction of America.

Imagine if such people held high-level gov’t jobs with this kind of ideology and could talk the stupid part of America into believing their lies and deceit.


22 posted on 08/24/2015 4:32:58 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for some have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Catsrus

both parts are wrong


23 posted on 08/24/2015 4:35:02 PM PDT by faithhopecharity (up)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry folks. Pascal Emmanuel-Gobry says we need birth-right citizenship, so I guess that’s case closed.


24 posted on 08/24/2015 4:37:06 PM PDT by mbrfl (fightingmad)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What really needs to end is Marbury v Madison and the supremes uncontested right to have the last word on constitutional issues.
The 14th amendment was never intended to grant birthright citizenship; the status of the parents had always determined the jurisdiction of the infant until the supremes ruled otherwise.
We have 3 branches of government but the branch that was supposed to be the strongest, the legislature, is clearly the weakest. We also have a federal government that was supposed to have strictly limited and enumerated powers, wielding unlimited power over all states and individuals.
Article 5 needs to limit terms of justices and have a mechanism whereby the states can overrule the Supreme Court decisions with a majority.


25 posted on 08/24/2015 4:37:40 PM PDT by grumpygresh (We don't have Democrats and Republicans, we have the Faustian uni-party)
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To: Jim 0216
Its debatable if illegals even have birthright citizenship.

14th Admenmant author Sen. Jacob Howard of Michigan, expressly said:
“This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.”
Original intent of the 14th Amendment

"The Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens."
Justice Brennan’s Footnote Gave Us Anchor Babies
26 posted on 08/24/2015 4:39:16 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Which is why it's strange to see so much conservative ebullience over Donald Trump's proposal to end birthright citizenship.

It's not very strange at all except to people like the author. For the benefit of this poor, benighted soul, it's because birthright citizenship was never intended for people to enter the United States illegally and drop an anchor baby.

27 posted on 08/24/2015 4:39:33 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I understand that children born to foreign diplomats who are stationed here are not automatically conferred U.S. citizenship. I think that goes for attaches and other foreign personnel as well.

OK then, precedence has been established. Treat the illegal’s’ babies in the same manner.


28 posted on 08/24/2015 4:41:11 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate. [URL=http://media.photobucket.com/user/currencyjunkie/me)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The American project is so strong, our culture is so strong, our values are so strong, that any baby born on our soil...”

It is hard to conceive of anyone being that stupid, with France and the rest of Europe being disassembled by immigrants. A nation can take in only so many immigrants and still retain its identity. The goal of the immigration policy promoted by Republicans and democrats is to destroy our identity and culture. Most Americans disagree mightily with that, which explains Trump.


29 posted on 08/24/2015 4:45:06 PM PDT by odawg
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Birthright Citizenship is the new cool cliche for Anchor Babies. We are about to see the Marxist Media go both barrels on this term.

Pray America is waking


30 posted on 08/24/2015 4:46:50 PM PDT by bray (Trump and Cruz to the White House)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Canada got rid of their birthright citizenship, making the US the ONLY developed nation to have it.

Mexico’s immigration laws are stricter than the harshest Republican plan, from citizen’s arrest of suspected illegals to visitors getting deported for participating in political rallies to inability of foreigners to own land near the coasts to requiring proof you can support yourself AND you can’t get hired unless they can’t find a Mexican to do it.


31 posted on 08/24/2015 4:52:11 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Birthright citizenship says, quite explicitly, "The American project is so strong, our culture is so strong, our values are so strong, that any baby born on our soil, no matter where his parents come from, will ultimately grow up to be a well-adjusted American, so that we don't need to wait for him to prove himself to extend citizenship."

Birthright citizenship for illegals may or may not be mandated by the 14th amendment, but it "says" nothing, explicitly or even implicitly.

32 posted on 08/24/2015 4:52:22 PM PDT by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I might be for jus-soli birthright citizenship for illegals, if there was no public welfare of any kind. Point made by Milton Friedman I believe.

With emphasis on might.

33 posted on 08/24/2015 4:54:44 PM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“The U.S. enacted birthright citizenship for different reasons, to ensure the citizenship of freed slaves after the Civil War. But... (the rest is needless argument and invalid because of the statement above)


34 posted on 08/24/2015 4:55:35 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Birthright citizenship says, quite explicitly, “The American project is so strong, our culture is so strong, our values are so strong, that any baby born on our soil, no matter where his parents come from, will ultimately grow up to be a well-adjusted American, so that we don’t need to wait for him to prove himself to extend citizenship.”

Maybe the kid WILL grow up with some “American” values, although the Democrats and liberals will do their best to prevent it. But then, a kid ought to grow up with his parents, and I see no reason to give resident status to someone - and a life of welfare benefits - to someone for having a kid in the USA!

But assuming you ship the parents out, and let them keep their kid - how will he learn “American values” while growing up with his parents in Mexico? Hmmm?


35 posted on 08/24/2015 5:02:07 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Invasion by pregnancy is still an invasion!


36 posted on 08/24/2015 5:03:34 PM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

There is a very strong case against illegal birthright citizenship.

The Left keeps misapplying the Ark case, where baby Ark was declared a U.S. citizen at birth, distinguished from the issue at hand because baby Arks parents were in the U.S. LEGALLY. Anything to confuse.

The case more on point is the earlier 1884 Elk v. Wilkins where an indian was denied citizenship at birth becasue his parents were not legal citizens. The Left tries to convolute this too.

The Left and Progressivism operates on confusion and lies.


37 posted on 08/24/2015 5:03:37 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Birthright citizenship says, quite explicitly, "The American project is so strong, our culture is so strong, our values are so strong, that any baby born on our soil, no matter where his parents come from, will ultimately grow up to be a well-adjusted American, so that we don't need to wait for him to prove himself to extend citizenship."

At one time this was true for most immigrants. It is no longer true today. Immigrants are not assimilating as they have in the past.

38 posted on 08/24/2015 5:03:48 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Do Not Vote for List: See my profile)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sacre merde.


39 posted on 08/24/2015 5:04:04 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“anchor babies” is a myth.

I’d like to know what “research” was done. I’ve known thousands of illegals (mostly Mexican). I’ve known hundreds of children of illegals born in the USA. I’ve registered to vote about 150 naturalized citizens. Anchor babies and anchor wives are real. I know school districts where anchor baby shifted from 5% to 60% across dozens of kindergarten classes.

Two of my 3 daughters are anchor babies in that they were born while my wife was an illegal. If we had divorced she would not have needed me as the anchor spouse.

BTW why are people so concerned about the anchor baby and not the anchor spouse? I feel slighted. Am I not important also? :)

But as far as the article is concerned, I’d like to know the “research”.


40 posted on 08/24/2015 5:04:11 PM PDT by spintreebob
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