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N. Korea: Kim Jong-un snubs China's invitation to military parade: source
Yonhap News ^ | 2015/08/24

Posted on 08/24/2015 12:31:05 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Kim Jong-un snubs China's invitation to military parade: source

2015/08/24

BEIJING, Aug. 24 (Yonhap) -- North Korean leader Kim Jong-un has declined an invitation from China to attend a huge military parade next month marking China's victory over Japan in World War II, a diplomatic source said Monday.

The rejection of the Chinese invitation represents the strained political ties between the allies over the North's defiant pursuit of nuclear weapons and wayward behavior, according to the source.

China has invited world leaders to attend the military parade on Sept. 3, a high-profile show of force. Many Western leaders are expected to shun the event.

"The North Korean leader Kim Jong-un is not on the list of foreign leaders who finally confirmed their attendance at the Sept. 3 military parade," the source said on the condition of anonymity.

It remains unclear whether North Korea will send its ceremonial head of state, Kim Yong-nam, to the Chinese event, according to the source.

Kim Jong-un had been widely expected to visit Moscow in May for the Victory Day celebration but did not because of "internal affairs," according to the Kremlin. Instead, Kim Yong-nam attended the Russian military parade.

South Korean President Park Geun-hye will be in China from Sept. 2-4 to attend events marking the 70th anniversary of the victory, though it remains unclear whether she will attend the military parade.

Military tensions on the Korean Peninsula are high.

High-level officials of the two Koreas have been holding crisis talks for a third day on Monday after failing to find a compromise in the previous two days of talks.

Tensions between the two Koreas began escalating after an investigation found that the North secretly planted land mines on the southern side of the border, which exploded and severely injured two South Korean soldiers early this month.

The South retaliated by resuming anti-Pyongyang propaganda broadcasts along the border, dealing a blow to the regime underpinned by the tight control of information. An angered North Korea fired artillery rounds at the South earlier this week, which led to a rare exchange of fire between the two sides.

North Korea had threatened to take strong military action unless the South halted the broadcasts and dismantled loudspeaker facilities by Saturday afternoon. But just hours before the deadline, the North proposed holding the talks to defuse the crisis.

The state-run Global Times newspaper, which is published by the Chinese Communist Party, said in an editorial on Monday that China does not want the military parade to be interrupted due to the tensions on the Korean Peninsula.

"Many analysts believe the current tension on the Peninsula must have something to do with China's military parade on September 3," the editorial said. "Among all the driving forces, which are making the situation worse, preventing South Korea's President Park Geun-hye from attending Beijing's parade is believed to be one of them and probably a main factor."

"Is it only sensitivity from the Chinese side, or do certain forces in Pyongyang, Seoul or outside the Peninsula indeed exist, and they are gambling on this? If so, China will definitely feel displeased," it said.

"But if Beijing's parade is to be actually interrupted by any malicious interference, China will not sit on its hands and do nothing."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 20150903; japan; kimjongun; nkorea; skorea
There is indeed suspicion that one of the reasons N. Korea created the current crisis is to rain on China's parade. N. Koreans are not happy that S. Korea and China are getting closer, while N. Korea is left out in the cold. If this crisis drags along, S. Korean President may not be able to go to China.
1 posted on 08/24/2015 12:31:05 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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P!


2 posted on 08/24/2015 12:33:18 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Maybe also, Kim or his people sense that if they go to Beijing, they’re not coming back.


3 posted on 08/24/2015 12:34:28 AM PDT by tanuki (Left-wing Revolution: show biz for boring people.)
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+1


4 posted on 08/24/2015 12:38:30 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Socialists want YOUR wealth redistributed, never THEIRS!)
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I often tell people that China views North Korea as a bad a** child and believe me if little Kim was to act with their blessing, he would disappear quickly. South Korea is one of China’s largest in Asia partners and another Korean War will never happen under the Kims as the World would wake up to Chinese Tanks and Troops in in the North Korean Capital, if they even thought about attacking the South.


5 posted on 08/24/2015 12:57:04 AM PDT by Trueblackman (As a Conservative, I am proud to be on the Obama's enemy list and on the right side of history..)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I frankly do not understand what is going on here.

I accept the idea that North Korea exists at the suffrage of China and ultimately must do China's bidding. The fact that North Korea has nuclear weapons and the fact that Korea has a potential population bomb that it might inflict on China if Korea implodes, does not alter the essential balance of power between the two nations. Why then would the Korean regime risk rupturing relations with a neighbor to whom it is so desperately dependent?

I am aware that North Korea has been even more bellicose than usual with South Korea and it makes it even more puzzling why North Korea would choose to send a diplomatic rebuff to China on the eve of potential hostilities, no matter how limited when the potential for escalation is so real.

We have approximately 28,000 American troops in a very vulnerable position along the DMZ and after about sixty-two years one would think that the South Koreans, one of the world's leading economies and one of the world's technological enterprises, could defend themselves. People like Donald Trump are now asking why are we paying for the defense of a country which is taking our money by selling is televisions?

To make matters even more complicated, China is increasingly bellicose raising the issue of the defense of the region against China similar to the questions concerning our exposure in cost in defending Korea: when will the Philippines, Japan, Taiwan, even Vietnam step up?

It is worth noting that this parade scheduled in China is a slap in the face of Japan and a lie historically. The Chinese Communists contributed relatively little to the defeat of Japan in China which should go to the Kuomintang yet they are crediting themselves by this parade. Nothing seems to fit together in the region, yet it has the look of a potential stack of dominoes.

One might ask the same questions in your concerning our NATO partners.


6 posted on 08/24/2015 2:20:09 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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a huge military parade next month marking China's victory over Japan in World War II, a diplomatic source said Monday.

Say what? More like "managed to hold out", while we kicked the Japanese' butts.

7 posted on 08/24/2015 3:02:55 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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N. Korea is a hereditary totalitarian dictatorship based on the extreme cult of personality. To maintain such a system, the country has to be closed and hostile to the outside world in order to keep its populace brainwashed and free of contamination. Everything has to be dictated by the state, even providing food. Periodic military confrontation with enemies (S. Korea and U.S.) is also a necessary component. It rallies people around the regime and reaffirm the grip on its people.

Such a system cannot be productive in the long term, and their economy started to crumble. It would make the regime unstable. It has to find a way to survive. Unlike other communist countries, which embraced political and economic reform, N. Korea did the exact opposite. It saw how things could go horribly wrong if they take the road of reform. Especially it was deeply traumatized by what happened to Ceausescu regime in Romania, a close approximation of N. Korean regime. So N. Korean regime further tightened its grip, and looked for the ultimate insurance against regime change: nuclear weapons. So they poured much of their economic resources to developing nukes and missiles, their delivery system. They believe this is the only way to perpetuate the rule by hereditary cult of personality.

So N. Korean regime created two sources of instability: 1) crumbling economy 2) nuclear threat. It tried to use the latter to offset the former. With nuclear blackmail, it receives generous economic aids, and keeps the economy from free fall. This is predicated on the aid providers’ hope that N. Korea would eventually give up its nuclear programs. However, N. Korea has no intention of doing it. It believes the nuke is the only guarantee against its downfall. It does not want to be Ghaddafi’s Libya or Saddam's Iraq. When and if the regime is threatened by uprising or coups, it should have a means to thoroughly check external influence. Beside, its state ideology Juche dictates that the regime should be seen as standing up to mighty powers. Actually, what it wants most is the regime guarantee by U.S., a peace pact which recognizes its legitimacy over entire Korean Peninsula.

China values N. Korea as useful buffer against pro-West S. Korea and U.S. It wants N. Korea to be a friendly ‘stable’ communist country. China wants N. Korea to be economically productive and stable, and refrain from periodic military adventures, which could invite the attention of its adversaries such as U.S.

Until recently, China put up with N. Korea. It kept N. Korea alive by providing steady stream of economic aids. However, the level of military destabilization is getting worse not better. It conducted nuclear tests, and claim that it possessed nuclear weapons. They are working on ICBM, too. It is constantly providing reasons for large U.S. military presence in its neighborhood.
China tries to talk them out of it, but N. Korea is not interested. N. Korean regime does not want to be transformed into another ‘China’ ruled by a collective leadership where people no longer worship a god-like ruler from a sacred family. Economic reform means the end of dynasty. They believe that following China's advice will lead to their demise.

They are intent on completing their quest for nuclear arsenal. No amount of food or money can make them stop. China had enough of this. However, they are not about to take drastic action such as complete embargo or military invasion. Such actions entail great risk, and it is far from certain that things will turn out the way they envisioned. So instead they tried to nurture pro-China faction in N. Korea. It seemed to be going well, until Kim Jong-un executed its leader, his uncle Jang Sung-taek, and unleashed the purge of entire faction. Now there is no ally of China inside N. Korea. Kim Jong-un knows that, if he goes to China, he will be under great pressure from Chinese leadership to change his way. Kim figures that there is no friendly audience in Beijing. Besides, there is a security concern. Something can happen during his trip. Attempts at his life or a coup back home while he is away, even if such a possibility is low.

Under the current situation, Kim is backed into a corner. China in effect drew a line. No more nuke and belligerence. S. Korea is not pliable as it used to, either. Gone are the days of “Sunshine Policy.” Once, such a policy enjoyed a popular support. Not anymore. In S. Korea, these days, it takes some courage to openly advocate appeasement policy in public. They get roundly booed.
So Kim Jong-un has little maneuvering room. He sent out feelers to Russia, but was met with skepticism. Every country around N. Korea is souring on him and now trying to find some common ground against N. Korea. Kim Jong-un is a product of cult of personality in a sealed totalitarian country, even though the seal is starting to break down. He cannot be Deng Xiao-ping. He is more like third generation Mao Zedong. That is why he is compelled to resist China's way.

PS: You are right that Chinese communists did little to nothing in fighting Japanese. Nationalists did all the work.

8 posted on 08/24/2015 5:15:13 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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Thank you for that comprehensive history which fills in some of the gaps in my understanding.

What is your recommendation concerning the exposure of our troops along the DMZ? Should they be pulled back out of the range of artillery in the initial onslaught? Should they be withdrawn from the peninsular altogether? Should they be left in place as a necessary tripwire?

What about the South Koreans, are they going to pay their own way, ensure their own defense, contribute to the general coalition that should be built to contain China?


9 posted on 08/24/2015 5:31:54 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
I frankly do not understand what is going on here.

I'll take a stab at it. North Korea resents the idea of being essentially a Chinese protectorate. The notion of communist brotherhood has been replaced by Juche which was Kim il Sung's bastardized ideal of socialism mixed with Korean independence. There's probably some Korean ethnocentrism thrown into the mix as well.

Which is why North Korea has always acted like a lady-in-waiting courting China and Russia throughout the decades and playing one off against the other. Furthermore, North Korea sees the 'economic inter-dependence' of China, South Korea and the United States as a betrayal. I'd describe it as akin to our disgust with the GOPe. We're told by the GOP that they'll address our issues meanwhile they're playing a different game.

North Korea, however, is banking on the idea that from China's perspective they are the best game in town. If the regime in Pyongyang were to collapse or were overrun by US/ROK forces that China would not allow Korean re-unification under a western-allied government on its border. In their mind they are sitting in the catbird seat and can afford to offend their benefactor to service their ideology which keeps the Kim dynasty in power.

As for China itself we've all heard the myth about this being the Chinese century. China wishes to establish itself as a regional hegemon in Asia. Their territorial ambitions regarding Taiwan, the South China Sea, the Spratly's etc., is well known. Hence Obama's "pivot" to Asia. Whatever we think of him or how he's going about doing it is the correct geopolitical move to make so China does not rise up and achieve parity with the United States. Bilateral relations with the nations you mentioned will ensure Chinese containment.

10 posted on 08/24/2015 5:41:04 AM PDT by JPX2011
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Excellent post. I defer to your expertise.
11 posted on 08/24/2015 5:43:38 AM PDT by JPX2011
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The Soviet Union initiated the Korean War and pushed so China had to invade.

Putin is doing the same.


12 posted on 08/24/2015 5:50:30 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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Relocation away from DMZ has been going on for a while. In time, they may only leave some token presence behind. Anyway, I heard that is the plan.

I am not sure how the cost-sharing deal would work out.

One complicating factor is that U.S. put leash on S. Korea's ballistic missile and nuclear program. If S. Korea is asked to pay the full expense, they probably want those restriction to be lifted. Especially ballistic missile program. Currently their ballistic missile range is capped at 800km, IIRC.

13 posted on 08/24/2015 5:51:25 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: JPX2011
Whatever we think of him or how he's going about doing it is the correct geopolitical move to make so China does not rise up and achieve parity with the United States. Bilateral relations with the nations you mentioned will ensure Chinese containment.

I agree that China is potentially the greatest threat and might even now in fact be the greatest threat and might already have achieved parity with the United States considering the fact that China by some metrics has the world's largest economy, the world's largest manufacturing economy, the world's largest population, nuclear weapons, and an intercontinental capacity to deliver them. It is deficient in many weapons systems but it is catching up fast.

So, yes it is essential that China be contained but that is a two edge sword. Alliances with a series of nations that ring China, Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, South Korea, and India might succeed in that objective but we must also understand that every time we make such an alliance we hand a bit of our sovereignty, a bit of our ability to control our destiny to our alliance partner. We must reconsider all our alliances to determine which add to our security and which only make us more vulnerable.

This is not a straightforward task, and will require a subtle mind and a comprehensive understanding of the theater, its history, its mentality, its culture and its will require of our leader, above all a steady hand at the American tiller. Barack Obama clearly is not that man, he does not have the confidence of his own people much less our allies nor does he have the respect of our enemies.

On this thread the name Donald Trump will inevitably come up in this context and we should be very careful about whom we choose to go about such a delicate task the failure which can lead to nuclear war.


14 posted on 08/24/2015 6:18:29 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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North Korea ‘prepares submarine attack’ on South Korea as crisis talks enter third day: live
Seoul refuses to back down and demands apology from Kim Jong-un for landmine blast it claims maimed two soldiers - follow the latest updates

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/11815637/North-Korean-troops-ordered-onto-war-footing-by-Kim-Jong-un-live.html


15 posted on 08/24/2015 7:05:20 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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A high stake game. S. Korea tend to back down a bit to give room for N. Koreans, who can walk away, declaring victory. That does not seem to be the case this time around.

By the way, those submarines have to surface in two or three days. According to news reports, they cannot remain underwater for extended period of time. So lots of them could be detected in next day or two. Hopefully.

Considering that they are old and poorly maintained, some of them may break down during their mission. That would be interesting to watch. A broken NK submarine floating around near S. Korean shore caught by fishing trawlers.

16 posted on 08/24/2015 7:25:05 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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some of them may break down during their mission.

Perhaps "many of them"
17 posted on 08/24/2015 7:29:35 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

That goofy little NORK despot not being room temperature is more proof that the CIA is not as potent as it use to be.


18 posted on 08/24/2015 7:30:49 AM PDT by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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He bites the hand that feeds him...


19 posted on 08/24/2015 8:23:50 AM PDT by GOPJ (Immigration, World Poverty and Gumballs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE)
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I think China need control their Pit Bull North Korea


20 posted on 08/24/2015 8:30:10 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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