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How It Really Went Down in the First Class to Graduate Female Rangers
SOFREP ^ | 8/21/2015 | Rudy Mac

Posted on 08/21/2015 8:26:48 PM PDT by T-Bird45

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To: PROCON

Yeah, I’m pretty sure the current admin is working to change that.

While this might be an individual moment of personal achievement for the two females in question, is it a step in the right direction if we want to kick ass, kill bad guys and take names? Now that the barrier has been crossed, and with no small mount of intense scrutiny and some pressure, will the bar remain unchanged, or will it be lowered so that some from the next batch can make it when the spotlight is off?

Maybe this experiment of an inclusive, gender neutral, homosexual friendly, transgender welcoming military will work out just fine. Maybe not. But is the experiment being undertaken because it seems like the best way to crush a future enemy, or so the President can go to a graduation and announce how great it is that such a progressive milestone has been crossed under his watch?

When the nation is engaged in a war that we might lose, and the casualties are taken at more than the level that we’ve become accustomed to in recent conflicts, we’ll get a real answer.


61 posted on 08/21/2015 10:33:42 PM PDT by M1911A1 (My red line is Jeb Bush.)
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To: ScubieNuc

All of what you say makes perfect sense to me. I have heard other vets state similar cases. It doesn’t take a degree in anthropology to understand the dynamics of this situation and why it would be especially bad news in combat.


62 posted on 08/21/2015 10:39:33 PM PDT by mom of young patriots
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To: T-Bird45
If I remember correctly, Ranger Griest carried the M240 for her squad on day one of patrols and another female in her squad carried the radio as the RTO. The next day of patrols, they switched, with Ranger Griest humping the radio and the other female student carrying the M240. Physically, they were studs. They carried their own weight and then some.

This all sounds nice and dandy, but what we want to know is were these items as heavy as what the men were having to carry. Other sections mention 85lbs and 100lbs, were these items as heavy as that?

63 posted on 08/21/2015 10:42:18 PM PDT by LowOiL ("Let us do evil that good may come"? ....condemnation is just - Romans 3:8)
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To: TomasUSMC

The time is coming when we will need all the bodies we can muster. Period.
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Bulls-eye! That is the central issue.


64 posted on 08/21/2015 10:43:43 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (luke 6:38)
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To: PROCON
If you want to see my criticism if the military as an institution as "bad mouthing" individual soldiers, that's on you.

That said, in a volunteer force, when one joins up, it will rightly be assumed that one supports and wants to promote the values and missions set forth by leadership, both military and civilian. Otherwise, it would appear to be "just a job."

65 posted on 08/21/2015 10:46:39 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass (There should be a whole lot more going on than throwing bleach, said one woman.)
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To: jsanders2001

Yeah, and would you have the guts to tell him that to his face? I think not. Easy to spew crap from behind a keyboard, isn’t it.


66 posted on 08/21/2015 10:50:10 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: tumblindice

Woman collectively are not the physical equals of men. However, some women, individually, come damn close. These 2 clearly do.

As long as they can pass the standard, and the standard is NOT adjusted, I don’t have a problem with it. If they can do the job, let them.


67 posted on 08/21/2015 10:55:08 PM PDT by bigdaddy45
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To: T-Bird45

It read to me like a politically written piece.


68 posted on 08/21/2015 10:58:36 PM PDT by rlmorel ("National success by the Democratic Party equals irretrievable ruin." Ulysses S. Grant)
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To: T-Bird45
Quite the selfish action by these XXs, pretending that they can physically perform the same as XYs. I'm praying that our XY warriors have the Lord's protection if they're put into harms' way alongside these women.

I give no apology for my opinion.

69 posted on 08/21/2015 11:09:24 PM PDT by theymakemesick (Democrats Lie Cheat Steal Destroy. Period. They are a filthy stain on Life and Freedom)
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To: rlmorel

A young officer who has gauged the political winds and decided that career advancement prospects are enhanced when a think-piece he writes is in tune with what the puzzle palace leaders want to promote?

Nahhh, it could never happen.

Maybe the guy is a straight shooter and is calling it as he sees it. It’s entirely possible that his perception of what’s going on is entirely in tune with what’s being pushed, and what’s being pushed is a good thing.

My guess is that if a serving officer penned a screed arguing against the current trend of “breaking down barriers”, he wouldn’t be doing his career any good.


70 posted on 08/21/2015 11:10:17 PM PDT by M1911A1 (My red line is Jeb Bush.)
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To: steve86

I don’t think he meant it as a compliment.


71 posted on 08/22/2015 12:43:51 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: donna

That is exactly right.


72 posted on 08/22/2015 12:46:29 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: tumblindice

A vast majority of the military is simply an affirmative action PC, PR campaign anymore. God forbid we have to fight a well equipped army at some point. Could you imagine China with a three hundred ship navy?

I know China imagines it. How inclusive will their army be with 45 million more men than women in their country?


73 posted on 08/22/2015 12:50:33 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: MarvinStinson

Could have been written by any number of Freepers actually

No shortage here who agree with women in combat etc

Unfortunately a high casualty war my boys will likely have to fight is the only reset that will fix us

Might even be domestic God help us

Never in history that I know of baring the military annihilation of one culture over another has this much historical precedence been deemed immoral or wrong or oppressive or unjust or unfair and simply turned on its head and the military is the favorite and easiest place for those forcing this to make it happen since it’s their rather rather large employment base

Foisted by those who despise military power and the projection of it

They are being allowed to weaken our military for their own votes and redress and satisfaction

It’s the definition of insanity to continue doing something you already know doesn’t work

You can see though that our youth are dead to logic and mostly buy the bullshit probably out of fear


74 posted on 08/22/2015 12:55:34 AM PDT by wardaddy (My ears are bleeding....FOX ..all I hear are shrill high pitched whiney women taking over each other)
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To: T-Bird45
An issue I keep seeing getting repeated (not with you, but in the reporting of this story over the last couple of days) is confusion over Ranger School and Army Rangers. Ranger school (where you.get a tab) is a leadership and combat development course. Hard as nails, but it does not make one an Army ranger. Most people who go to Ranger School never become Army Rangers (Read: serve in the 75th), but because of the word 'ranger' many civilians assume it is the same thing.

It is not.

A person who went through Ranger school has gone through a great (and hard) program that pushes them to the limit and hones leadership under combat conditions.

An Army Ranger, on the other hand, serves in the 75th and is part of the most elite light infantry in the world, is part of America's special.operations forces, and will be involved in spec-ops operations and even work with other special operations units (eg supporting Delta Force).

Huge difference between the Ranger Tab and the Ranger Scroll. Both are hard to get, but one is combat leadership and the other is special operations.

75 posted on 08/22/2015 12:58:43 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not to mention their frigging minds

What the hell is wrong with Freepers


76 posted on 08/22/2015 1:01:48 AM PDT by wardaddy (My ears are bleeding....FOX ..all I hear are shrill high pitched whiney women taking over each other)
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To: Finalapproach29er

Bullseye my ass

WWII was a meat grinder

War between the States even worse proportionately ....my home state of Mississippi in post war years largest single budget item was prosthetics

Yet they didn’t field chicks in combat

No one ever has short of dire survival and even then relegated to common sense roles knowing the weren’t up to the same rigor and often had subtle talents that were useful especially as informants and couriers

We are doing all this bullshit not to improve our fighting capability but rather to pay the debts the progressives and some GOPe owe to feminists and. LBGT supporters and to make CIB and other punched tickets more available to career ambitious wimmin

It is pure dee crap

Even if one in one thousand women is physically competent as compared to exponentially more men ....that is beside the point

Prolonged violent harsh environments are brutal women and children much more so than on men which is bad a damned nuff

We’ve lost our minds and I have never in my life known one vet who did serious combat exposure who thinks women should be anywhere near it

You put your womenfolk voluntarily into war....I just can’t get over this notion

We fight wars to keep them and the kids out of trouble...not voluntarily place them in it

Video warriors think myths and lore are real or they have just lost their balls

Hell my 15 year old boy is one tuff mofo.....hell he shoulda been at Fallujah...I mean I think he coulda passed MCRD PI

Why not put women in high security US penitentiaries like Lompoc or Terre Haute or Marion

Hell I’m sure some are tough enough....right?

Why discriminate?

Any culture stays on this path ain’t worth preserving.

I spent a lot of time in third world shit seeing bad conflict crap as a young man...dead kids...brutalized women

Even in west Africa it was rare to see women in guerrilla groups....a few...ditto FARC or ELN or the Contras or the Karins

Even desperate rebels had common sense...some used women but limited and in roles suited for them

Crazy

Harpseal RIP

Matt Bracken....hurry back


77 posted on 08/22/2015 1:31:34 AM PDT by wardaddy (My ears are bleeding....FOX ..all I hear are shrill high pitched whiney women taking over each other)
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To: wardaddy

There are plenty of weak, mush-minded Freepers who accept the PC line and feel all warm and fuzzy when they can jump on the PC bandwagon, reality be damned. The term “cuckservative” that’s been floating around lately applies to these people.


78 posted on 08/22/2015 1:36:08 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: T-Bird45

I had the pleasure of opforing at Camp Darby in the late sixties and TDY at Benning. It was actually a lot fun. Playing LRP’s against the ranger students was the best time I had the Army. From what I saw the worst part of Ranger training was the lack of sleep and the constant pushups. The physical may not have been easy but it paled in comparison with the sleep deprivation. Trust me. it ain’t easy to stay awake day after day 20 -21 hours. We did it in leadership prep school and I actually fell fast asleep whilst taking notes in class. If the women can do it then go for it. Just don’t cheapen the standards. People fail the course, not because of physical prowess, but because the motivation isn’t high enough to overcome the physical challenge. The mental challenge is listening to the RI’s screaming in your ear. At least it was in 1967. Let’s face it. Officers go to Ranger school to stamp a ticket. Little chance of the bird and no chance of a star without it. I’m uneasy with women in combat in the average unit but a highly motivated unit like a ranger platoon should do just fine. I am of the old school thought and “feel” that women should not be in combat unless the need os dire. You believe what you want.


79 posted on 08/22/2015 1:46:54 AM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: fr_freak

They need to read Colonel Allen West.....Colonel Oliver North....Etc on this notion


80 posted on 08/22/2015 1:48:12 AM PDT by wardaddy (My ears are bleeding....FOX ..all I hear are shrill high pitched whiney women taking over each other)
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