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Immigration Trump Card [A serious look at his proposed plan]
National Review ^ | 08/17/2015 | Mark Krikorian

Posted on 08/17/2015 12:28:27 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

Maybe what is most remarkable about Trump’s immigration paper is that none of the other candidates beat him to it.

I mean no disrespect to his policy people, but anyone could have written it in a few days, a week maybe. The material is easily found online and unlike, say, health care policy, it’s really not that complicated.

Which suggests that the campaigns of most of the other leading candidates hoped they could avoid offering an actual plan, finessing the issue instead by mouthing platitudes for the yahoos without specifics that might upset donors. Trump’s paper takes direct aim at this strategy when it states “Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors.”

And that makes me pessimistic about anyone adopting Ian’s sensible suggestion that a “candidate who wants to be formidable, and knock Trump from his perch, would assert The Donald’s principles, then bolster them with solid policies.”

The three principles the paper offers wouldn’t even have to be articulated in a healthier society; of course immigration policy must be based exclusively on the interests of We the People of the United States, not wealthy donors, not corporations, not union bosses, not big-city politicians, and not foreign citizens. Their articulation is nonetheless useful as a way to flush out libertarian and leftist opponents of American sovereignty.

As to the specifics: When the WaPo reported that Trump called Sen. Jeff Sessions to talk immigration, I’d assumed the senator wouldn’t have been able to get a word in edgewise. Well, that does not seem to have been the case, because there’s a lot of specifics in Trump’s paper, and they’re mostly quite good. Among them: Nationwide E-Verify, visa-tracking for foreign visitors, cutting off aid to sanctuary cities, making overstay of a visa a criminal offense, tightening up on H-1B visas to prevent their being used to import cheap labor, ending birthright citizenship, and more. It even addresses the excesses of refugee resettlement.

The final item in the paper is a call for “immigration moderation,” a verbatim echo of Sen. Sessions’ words from earlier this year. But while Rick Santorum has called for a 25 percent cut in the current immigration level of 1 million per year (by eliminating the lottery and certain chain-migration categories), Trump’s paper doesn’t offer specifics here. On the other hand, it’s just a six-page paper, so there’s plenty of opportunity to elaborate.

I’m less enthusiastic about the first section of the paper, on Mexico and the border. Its antagonism toward Mexico is not constructive – Mexico is indeed obstructionist in many areas, but it has been induced to be helpful in others (for instance, by interdicting many of the Central American illegals headed north). Our approach to our neighbor to the south must be firm, but not ham-handed.

On the other hand, the paper makes Trump’s earlier comments about making Mexico pay for the construction of a border wall seem less absurd. It proposes a number of ways to extract funds, including “impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages” and increased visa fees on various Mexican travelers. These may or may not be good ideas, but they’re not preposterous.

So, while I think Ann Coulter exaggerates just a little when she calls Trump’s paper “The greatest political document since the Magna Carta,” it does clearly advance the immigration debate. Some of these specifics will almost certainly come up in the CNN debate next month and Trump’s rivals will have to respond. I sincerely hope one of the other candidates makes these ideas his own in order to “knock Trump from his perch,” but whether or not that happens, the Overton window for discussion of immigration has moved appreciably in the direction most of the public prefers.


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To: SeekAndFind

“what is most remarkable about Trump’s immigration paper is that none of the other candidates beat him to it.”

No one “beat him to it.” They wouldn’t touch it with a 500’ pole. To a politician it is “kiss of death” to their careers in criminality.

Trump is doing and saying what almost all of us hard working, law abiding, middle class have hoped and prayed to hear for over 50 years.

No wonder he is “kicking the poop” out of the GOPe’s “fair haired boys” and girls.

They are absolutely HORRIFIED that the real conservative rebellion finally has a leader that will bond all together to march in step to restore our liberties under the original Constitution.


41 posted on 08/17/2015 1:37:27 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: SeekAndFind

I do not know anything about this guy’s credentials but I get the impression he is an intellectual bookworm who believes reality is the confines of his office and has never set foot on the border.

Quote:

“I mean no disrespect to his policy people, but anyone could have written it in a few days, a week maybe. The material is easily found online and unlike, say, health care policy, it’s really not that complicated.”

The last few words! “It’s really not that complicated.” Implying it is not that complicated to put together an immigration policy. After all it’s just a matter of a cut and paste of what you find on the web.

Are you kidding me?

I love the way these writers are so dismissive implying they know it all in the comfort of their little insignificant offices. This guy probably has never picked up a shovel in his life. It is quite an undertaking to build a wall of that magnitude. So far Trump is the only candidate I know who has shown what he will do for us regarding immigration.

Now Walker is falling all over himself saying his plan is the same. Carson is running down to the border to show he is also an illegal immigration hawk, but this guy just wants us to buy into his opinion that putting an immigration policy is not big deal. What a buffoon.

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“I’m less enthusiastic about the first section of the paper, on Mexico and the border. Its antagonism toward Mexico is not constructive – Mexico is indeed obstructionist in many areas, but it has been induced to be helpful in others (for instance, by interdicting many of the Central American illegals headed north). Our approach to our neighbor to the south must be firm, but not ham-handed.”

This last quote is the bouquet implying we must be nice to Mexico.

I live in Arizona and am witnessing first hand the illegal immigrant thing and it is a war zone. Mexico is doing nothing and taking advantage of every benefit it can. We must come down on Mexico like a ton of bricks to be taken seriously. I doubt this author has been on the border. If he had he would not be writing this stupid nonsense.

There are over 10,000 people killed on the Mexican border every year and at least for the last 5 years. Severed heads dumped on the local roads. Mass graves found regularly. Ranchers who have had property on the border have lost it all either being sued by illegals for getting injured on their properties or run off their property by drug cartels who want those properties as landing sites. Those are the lucky ones. A lot of property owner are simply killed.

On the way to Rocky Point in Mexico as you go through the Organ Pipe national park there are huge signs telling Americans not to go in certain parts of the park because these are drug corridors. The Feds admitting they have lost control. We are now no longer safe in the United States because Mexico is doing nothing about its drug cartels and we must be nice to them. Right!

In certain parts of Phoenix you don’t dare go through there without a gun because of all the illegals and the crime.

On the other hand if a gringo gets at all out of line in Mexico it is straight to jail. This is the most glaring double standard. Try working in Mexico illegally and that is an immediate felony and you go to jail. Mexico is indeed shipping all its welfare load to the US.

And with all this, this Kerkorian says we need to be nice to Mexico. Don’t think so. Mexico needs to know there is a new sheriff in town and given a major attitude adjustment.

Mexico has zero respect for us because the Federal gov’t has the same attitude as Kerkorian. Let’s all be nice and get along.

He is totally nuts and ignorant. He needs to spend some time down here and get a whiff of how many people are getting slaughtered by illegals. You now see people packing their guns on their hips. Tha’st what is required to stay safe.

This Kerkorian is totally nuts and ignorant and has no idea what he is talking about.


42 posted on 08/17/2015 1:38:12 PM PDT by GilGil
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To: SeekAndFind
Yep, every candidate will have to answer to that plan in Yes and No.

Every single one of them.

43 posted on 08/17/2015 1:41:41 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: DH
Exactly so! They didn't "beat Trump to it" because they don't want to beat him to it. They want to get rid of him and then sweep the immigration issue back under the rug, never to be mentioned again. Then they expect that the sheep will forget about it, and vote for whomever they're told to vote for.
44 posted on 08/17/2015 1:53:13 PM PDT by Nea Wood
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To: SeekAndFind
The three principles the paper offers wouldn’t even have to be articulated in a healthier society; of course immigration policy must be based exclusively on the interests of We the People of the United States, not wealthy donors, not corporations, not union bosses, not big-city politicians, and not foreign citizens.

Thank you. Nice to hear someone else say it for a change.

Immigration policy should serve the interests of the citizen. First, foremost, always.

The right to immigrate to the US is not a right at all, it is a privilege that should be extended carefully to people that we would want to share our sovereignty with, want to be neighbors to, want to share our vote with. Not just anyone qualifies.

And with half the country out of work, there may be some years that no one qualifies.

45 posted on 08/17/2015 2:06:49 PM PDT by marron
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To: mkjessup; DoughtyOne; All

” two of the most pro-America patriots to be involved in the political process in ages”

I was hoping for one, and we got two. And they are pals to boot.


46 posted on 08/17/2015 2:25:38 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: Hojczyk

Scott Walker has a book? Who knew? Yet I’ve seen him asked about immigration on TV on several occasions, and I’ve never heard the word “wall” cross his lips until today. In fact he’s been about as clear as mud. He’s for enforcing the law but against deportations, against amnesty but for a “pathway”, before he was against it. Or is he for it now? It’s very confusing.


47 posted on 08/17/2015 2:27:32 PM PDT by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt)
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To: kabar

I am certain he referring to Krikorian.


48 posted on 08/17/2015 2:28:21 PM PDT by entropy12 (You always vote for the rich donors of candidates, not the candidate himself. Except Trump.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Do you know who is MOST upset about Trump's immigration plan?

Rich donors of candidates!!! They can not tolerate derailing of the cheap labor express.

49 posted on 08/17/2015 2:33:29 PM PDT by entropy12 (You always vote for the rich donors of candidates, not the candidate himself. Except Trump.)
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To: entropy12

If that is the case, he is all wet. Mark Krikorian is one of the most knowledgeable people on immigration in the country, He heads the Center for Immigration Studies, the only think tank dedicated solely to immigration. I know Mark personally. He is a solid conservative.


50 posted on 08/17/2015 2:34:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: stephenjohnbanker
"two of the most pro-America patriots to be involved in the political process in ages"

I was hoping for one, and we got two. And they are pals to boot.


Hey my good FRiend!

You are so right. Hope springs eternal.

Trump/Cruz or Cruz/Trump would be just fine with me. I have to give the edge to Cruz due to his infinite understanding of the Constitution (and his correct view of it), and after watching him successfully debate and defuse those Code Pink protestors who intruded on one of his campaign events, I know his oratorical skills are top notch.

Trump however, IS bigger than life, he takes all the oxygen out of the room, and there is no doubt that (like Cruz), he loves America and indeed wants to 'make it great again'.
51 posted on 08/17/2015 2:35:29 PM PDT by mkjessup (Iran has an ayatollah for it's 'supreme leader', America has an ASSAHOLLAH !!!)
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To: conservativejoy

I would also give them the opportunity to come forward and register to get a one time six month visa to sell off any assets (businesses, real estate) they may own. If they don’t come forward and are caught, all assets are seized. If they overstay that visa, it’s a felony.


52 posted on 08/17/2015 2:36:38 PM PDT by Hugin ("First thing--get yourself a firearm!" Sheriff Ed Galt)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even NR’s anti-illegal immigration guy can’t write about Trump and his proposal without getting needless, baseless, dig after dig in.


53 posted on 08/17/2015 2:38:08 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Nep Nep

And why does Trump not have the standing to carry his own banner?


54 posted on 08/17/2015 2:39:40 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: mkjessup

I have been backing Cruz since the middle of last year, and still do. Trump is also giving The GOPE traitors a new kind of hell they can’t buy off.


55 posted on 08/17/2015 2:39:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: kabar

Oh ok. I did not bother reading his long article. I usually enjoy reading posters comment more.


56 posted on 08/17/2015 2:47:09 PM PDT by entropy12 (You always vote for the rich donors of candidates, not the candidate himself. Except Trump.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Ditto here FRiend, Cruz has long been my preference, but in fairness to Trump, I haven’t heard any recent statements or pronouncements from him that I disagree with, and the GOPe sellouts are scared to death of him because he stands for “no more business as usual” and he’s got too much money, they can’t buy him, and that makes him a mortal danger to their plans for their continued political power.

The swamp has to be drained, and Cruz and Trump are just the ones to do it.


57 posted on 08/17/2015 2:52:03 PM PDT by mkjessup (Iran has an ayatollah for it's 'supreme leader', America has an ASSAHOLLAH !!!)
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To: mkjessup

BINGO


58 posted on 08/17/2015 3:05:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: stephenjohnbanker

“a new kind of hell”

Yeah! Great ..!!!!!!
Serves them right for siding with the Dems all the time.


59 posted on 08/17/2015 3:19:55 PM PDT by CyberAnt ("The fields are white unto Harvest")
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To: The Final Harvest

I will enjoy their suffering. They are evil whore traitors.


60 posted on 08/17/2015 3:28:41 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) (GOPe is that easy to read))
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