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Donald Trump, Moderate Republican
The New York Times ^ | 8/15/15

Posted on 08/15/2015 6:30:08 AM PDT by Ge0ffrey

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To: Nicojones

I voted for a “tea party” conservative republican senator in Florida. He (Rubio) teamed up with Schumer to pass amnesty. Trump has single handedly brought immigration to the fore front of issues. All of our “conservative’ leaders (except Cruz) have run from the issue or pandered to the GOPe. You can call Trump a Communist liberal, as long as he stands with the families of people killed by illegal aliens and demands a closed border, he has my ear and potential vote.


Agree 100%. Trump is mainstreaming conservative issues that the beltway GOP has steadfastly refused to engage.

It’s unfortunate a few dim bulb “conservatives” can’t seem to understand that what Trump is doing is good for us.


21 posted on 08/15/2015 7:00:23 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: Ge0ffrey

His appeal to conservatives AND ‘moderates’ is just why the political industry in America hates him.
His ‘moderates’ appeal is killing the GOPe candidates. Bush would be sitting on a fat lead now if not for Trump. Only political nerds would have watched the debate and the conservative candidates performances would have been seen by no ‘average’ person.

It’ll be a wonder if Trump can hold his coalition together, but he may.


22 posted on 08/15/2015 7:01:04 AM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: lodi90

Are you disagreeing that Trump said these things? The article quotes him directly on most of the issues. And I’ve watched the debate, his speeches, his ads and his press conferences, where I’ve heard him say all these things directly.


23 posted on 08/15/2015 7:03:08 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Ge0ffrey

On the one hand, this could be an attempt by the Slimes to claim Trump and turn the base against him.

On the other, perhaps the Slimes thinks Trump is the most likely GOP candidate to lose and they want to prop him up to appeal to a wider base.

On the third hand, maybe someone at the Slimes has grown some business sense and realized that. Trump presidency might sell an arse load of newspapers.


24 posted on 08/15/2015 7:03:23 AM PDT by FlipWilson
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To: Bryanw92

Trump hasn’t mentioned most of those issues. It was Cruz who pointed out Obama needs to call Muslim terrorists by name.

Trump has clearly said he’s for abortion in cases of rape, incest, life of the mother and I believe even health of the mother.

Trump hasn’t talked about welfare reform or forcing people to get jobs as far as I know. He boasts he will not cut entitlements like Medicare, Social Security even non-abortion services from Planned Parenthood. and that he will “take care” of people.

Trump hasn’t addressed whether businesses can refuse to bake a gay wedding cake as far as I know. Many other candidates are far more outspoken on gay marriage than Trump.

Trump seemed to get all his traction as being non-PC by suggesting something that sounded like he was saying most illegal immigrants are rapists, which isn’t even technically true. That isn’t exactly the major aspect of political correctness I was ever worried about.


25 posted on 08/15/2015 7:11:03 AM PDT by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: JediJones

Well, he can evolve on those issues we disagree with. After all, obama evolved on gay marriage - remember? I think Trump can be pulled further to the right - which in his book, “Time To Get Tough,” he embraces. I’m not sure where these positions are coming from - maybe he didn’t read his own book?


26 posted on 08/15/2015 7:20:33 AM PDT by Catsrus (a and)
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To: stevio
And if conservatives are this amped about a moderate republican, tells you a lot about the rest of the field.

As if Ted Cruz is a moderate Republican.

27 posted on 08/15/2015 7:29:28 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Ge0ffrey

A “moderate” businessman willing to do the things “conservative” politicians are unwilling to do?

Sidney Poitier didn’t have to be Catholic to build the nuns a church.


28 posted on 08/15/2015 7:29:28 AM PDT by GoneSalt (+NooB+"I STAND WITH DONALD TRUMP-HE'S TERRIFIC-HE'S BRASH-HE SPEAKS THE TRUTH"~TED CRUZ~)
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To: JediJones
Jedi, I'm also currently in the Cruz camp, and have made sizeable contributions to back my support. I am not questioning your desire for a conservative response to this mess our country is in, but you may be missing the point on a few things. Yes, Trump said those things. See below for a point on point response:

Will expedite the return of the “good” illegal immigrants after deporting them.

If the “good” aliens are trained professionals that can add to the tax base and contribute to the economy, and not go on welfare/jail, what’s wrong with this? In fact, Cruz, using different words said generally the same thing - we should have a rationale immigration policy.

Thinks single-payer health care is great and works great in other countries like Canada and Scotland, but the time has passed for us to have it here.

Yes, in the past he said that. just like Ronald Reagan said he was for abortion and increased taxes in the decades before he ran. Now, in the current, he he says he wants a plan where insurance companies compete across state lines. Competition will drive down rates and increase coverage. This is right out of many conservative thinking tanks.

Wants the government to fund Planned Parenthood and women’s health, except for abortions.

He said that he would have no objection to consider funding the non-abortion services once they stop abortions. Seems reasonable to me. They do abortions, they get nothing.

Wants to charge tariffs on imports from some companies in some situations.

What are those “situations”. If one of them is Ford deciding to build a plant in Mexico as opposed to Tennessee, I'm all for taxing the shit out of the cars that are sent over the border made with cheap mexican labor. We can use that to fund the building of a wall :)

Opposes the flat tax and fair tax, wants to preserve a progressive/graduated income tax system where the wealthier pay higher rates.

See another thread posted this morning. His plan is going to simplify the tax code immensely. Its clearly a step in the right direction.

“Loves” the idea of campaign finance reform, says contribution limits are “okay.”

Currently, the GOPe thinktanks and the Chamber of Commerce have funded Jeb Bush to the tune of 100 billion. He's a candidate that nobody wants, except with this ability to donate unlimited cash, he's being forced on us. It makes me, a previous big defender of the citizen's united decision have second thoughts. No illegal immigration GOPe thinktank should be allowed to get away with that.

Look, Cruz is still my first choice, but you can not deny this guy is on to something. We have elected republicans to oppose Obama. They have funded everything and didn't oppose the two communist supreme court justices that that sealed our fate on those horrible decisions. They do not stand with us and have lied repeatedly. So have most of the politicians running for President. Like Rush and Palin said, i’m not ready to disown or through Trump under the bus. He's coming to the dance with alot of solid conservatives. These are all good signs that he will implement policy effectively and with a conservative tilt. That's way better than our current situation, where we were lied to and have supported every Dem/progressive initiative.

Approves of federal minimum wages.

29 posted on 08/15/2015 7:30:00 AM PDT by Nicojones
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To: lodi90
So you are agreeing with the New York Times? Birds of a feather...

Wow. On FreeRepublic you can't say that Trump isn't a conservative with out being called a NY Times type.

Unbelievable.

30 posted on 08/15/2015 7:33:16 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Ge0ffrey

Moderate - hardly - check out these positions (copied)

But as much as all this is interesting, the real thing that people want to know is what Donald Trump’s plan is for America. It’s funny how so many people say they don’t know what it is, or they act like Trump is hiding it. The information is readily available if people would just do a little homework. But, since most Americans won’t do their own research, here, in no particular order, is an overview of many of Trumps positions and plans:

1.) Trump believes that America should not intervene militarily in other country’s problems without being compensated for doing so. If America is going to risk the lives of our soldiers and incur the expense of going to war, then the nations we help must be willing to pay for our help. Using the Iraq War as an example, he cites the huge monetary expense to American taxpayers (over $1.5 trillion, and possibly much more depending on what sources are used to determine the cost) in addition to the cost in human life. He suggests that Iraq should have been required to give us enough of their oil to pay for the expenses we incurred. He includes in those expenses the medical costs for our military and $5 million for each family that lost a loved one in the war and $2 million for each family of soldiers who received severe injuries.

2.) Speaking of the military, Trump wants America to have a strong military again. He believes the single most important function of the federal government is national defense. He has said he wants to find the General Patton or General MacArthur that could lead our military buildup back to the strength it needs to be. While he hasn’t said it directly that I know of, Trump’s attitude about America and about winning tells me he’d most likely be quick to eliminate rules of engagement that handicap our military in battle. Clearly Trump is a “win at all costs” kind of guy, and I’m sure that would apply to our national defense and security, too.

3.) Trump wants a strong foreign policy and believes that it must include 7 core principles (which seem to support my comment in the last point):

American interests come first. Always. No apologies.

Maximum firepower and military preparedness.

Only go to war to win.

Stay loyal to your friends and suspicious of your enemies.

Keep the technological sword razor sharp.

See the unseen. Prepare for threats before they materialize.

Respect and support our present and past warriors.

4.) Trump believes that terrorists who are captured should be treated as military combatants, not as criminals like the Obama administration treats them.

5.) Trump makes the point that China’s manipulation of their currency has given them unfair advantage in our trade dealings with them. He says we must tax their imports to offset their currency manipulation, which will cause American companies to be competitive again and drive manufacturing back to America and create jobs here. Although he sees China as the biggest offender, he believes that America should protect itself from all foreign efforts to take our jobs and manufacturing. For example, Ford is building a plant in Mexico and Trump suggests that every part or vehicle Ford makes in Mexico be taxed 35% if they want to bring it into the U. S., which would cause companies like Ford to no longer be competitive using their Mexican operations and move manufacturing back to the U. S., once again creating jobs here.

6.) Trump wants passage of NOPEC legislation (No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels Act – NOPEC – S.394), which would allow the government to sue OPEC for violating antitrust laws. According to Trump, that would break up the cartel. He also wants to unleash our energy companies to drill domestically (sound like Sarah Palin’s drill baby, drill?) thereby increasing domestic production creating jobs and driving domestic costs of oil and gas down while reducing dependence on foreign oil.

7.) Trump believes a secure border is critical for both security and prosperity in America. He wants to build a wall to stop illegals from entering put controls on immigration. (And he says he’ll get Mexico to pay for the wall, which many have scoffed at, but given his business successes I wouldn’t put it past him.) He also wants to enforce our immigration laws and provide no path to citizenship for illegals.

8.) Trump wants a radical change to the tax system to not only make it better for average Americans, but also to encourage businesses to stay here and foreign businesses to move here. The resulting influx of money to our nation would do wonders for our economy. He wants to make America the place to do business. He also wants to lower the death tax and the taxes on capital gains and dividends. This would put more than $1.6 trillion back into the economy and help rebuild the 1.5 million jobs we’ve lost to the current tax system. He also wants to charge companies who outsource jobs overseas a 20% tax, but for those willing to move jobs back to America they would not be taxed. And for citizens he has a tax plan that would allow Americans to keep more of what they earn and spark economic growth. He wants to change the personal income tax to:

Up to $30,000 taxed at 1%

From $30,000 to $100,000 taxed at 5%

From $100,000 to $1,000,000 taxed at 10%

$1,000,000 and above taxed at 15%

9.) Trump wants Obamacare repealed. He says it’s a “job-killing, health care-destroying monstrosity” that “can’t be reformed, salvaged, or fixed.” He believes in allowing real competition in the health insurance marketplace to allow competition to drive prices down. He also believes in tort reform to get rid of defensive medicine and lower costs.

10.) Trump wants spending reforms in Washington, acknowledging that America spends far more than it receives in revenue. He has said he believes that if we don’t stop increasing the national debt once it hits $24 trillion it will be impossible to save this country.

11.) Even though he says we need to cut spending, he does not want to harm those on Medicare, Medicaid, or Social Security. He believes that the citizens have faithfully paid in to the system to have these services available and that the American government has an obligation to fulfill its end of the bargain and provide those benefits. Therefore, he wants to build the economy up so that we have the revenue to pay those costs without cutting the benefits to the recipients. He disagrees with Democrats who think raising taxes is the answer and says that when you do that you stifle the economy. On the other hand, when you lower taxes and create an environment to help businesses they will grow, hire more workers, and those new workers will be paying taxes that become more taxrevenue for the government.

12.) Trump also wants reform of the welfare state saying that America needs “a safety net, not a hammock.” He believes in a welfare to work program that would help reduce the welfare roles and encourage people to get back to work. And he wants a crackdown on entitlement fraud.

13.) Trump believes climate change is a hoax.

14.) Trump opposes Common Core.

15.) Trump is pro-life, although he allows for an exception due to rape, incest, or the life of the mother.

16.) Trump is pro 2nd Amendment right

17.) Trump’s view on same-sex marriage is that marriage is between a man and a woman, but he also believes that this is a states’ rights issue, not a federal issue.

18.) Trump supports the death penalty.

Trump believes that there is a lack of common sense, innovative thinking in Washington (Hmmm… looks like he believes in horse sense!). He says it’s about seeing the unseen and that’s the kind of thinking we need to turn this country around. He tells a personal story to illustrate the point:

“When I opened Trump National Golf Club at Rancho Palos Verdes in Los Angeles, I was immediately told that I would need to build a new and costly ballroom. The current ballroom was gorgeous, but it only sat 200 people and we were losing business because people needed a larger space for their events. Building a new ballroom would take years to get approval and permits (since it’s on the Pacific Ocean), and cost about $5 million. I took one look at the ballroom and saw immediately what needed to be done. The problem wasn’t the size of the room, it was the size of the chairs.

They were huge, heavy, and unwieldy. We didn’t need a bigger ballroom, we needed smaller chairs! So I had them replaced with high-end, smaller chairs. I then had our people sell the old chairs and got more money for them than the cost of the new chairs. In the end, the ballroom went from seating 200 people to seating 320 people. Our visitors got the space they desired, and I spared everyone the hassle of years of construction and $5 million of expense. It’s amazing what you can accomplish with a little common sense.”

On top of his saving years of construction and $5 million in expenses, he also was able to keep the ballroom open for business during the time it would have been under remodeling, which allowed him to continue to make money on the space instead of losing that revenue during construction time.

Donald Trump’s entire life has been made up of success and winning. He’s been accused of bankruptcies, but that’s not true. He’s never filed personal bankruptcy. He’s bought companies and legally used bankruptcy laws to restructure their debt, just as businesses do all the time. But he’s never been bankrupt personally.

He’s a fighter that clearly loves America and would fight for our nation.

Earlier I quoted Trump saying, “I love America. And when you love something, you protect it passionately – fiercely, even.” We never hear that from Democrats or even from most Republicans. Donald Trump is saying things that desperately need to be said but no other candidate has shown the fortitude to stand up and say them.

Looking over this list of what he wants for America I see a very necessary set of goals that are long past due. Before we criticize someone because the media does, maybe we should seriously consider what he has to offer.


31 posted on 08/15/2015 7:36:19 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

Excellent summary. Thanks for posting this.


32 posted on 08/15/2015 7:39:44 AM PDT by Nicojones
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To: stevio

I think Trumps support comes from the reality he is not a politician, plain & simple.
The republican party has shown they are not to be trusted and Trump is outside that machine.


33 posted on 08/15/2015 7:43:23 AM PDT by glasseye
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To: Nicojones

I hope he stays with what he has said. Although I support the fair tax, I can live with this.


34 posted on 08/15/2015 7:44:56 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: JediJones

>>Trump hasn’t mentioned most of those issues.

Exactly. They are symptoms of the real problem. Politicians TALK about those issues all the time, yet they never get fixed because the solution is not PC.

Ask a politician (of any stripe) “would you say that all lives matter, and that it is really just code for white lives matter?” and they get scared, tongue-tied, and start babbling in PC talking points. We need a person who will respond with “what kind of stupid question is that? Of course, all lives matter.”

It is time to push back and to stop acting like political incorrectness is a form of violence.


35 posted on 08/15/2015 7:46:02 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: stevio
"And if conservatives are this amped about a moderate republican, tells you a lot about the rest of the field."

It's certain Trump is no conservative.

It's also certain none of the rest can be trusted to represent American interests.

Many conservatives are settling, for what they believe is the only pro-American in the bunch.

36 posted on 08/15/2015 7:58:16 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: mrsmith
"It’ll be a wonder if Trump can hold his coalition together, but he may."

He's expanding that coalition to White, Blue Collar Democrats. Soon to Middle Class Blacks.

37 posted on 08/15/2015 8:04:44 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18 - Be The Leaderless Resistance)
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To: cableguymn

Moderate? If he is a Republican at all, given his support of Clinton, Reid, et al., his statements on immunization, taxes, gun control, climate change and other issues put him in the liberal camp. I’d put him somewhere to the left of McCain and Lindsay Graham.


38 posted on 08/15/2015 8:37:02 AM PDT by mak5
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To: Ge0ffrey

Moderate would be an improvement.. He’s a socialist.


39 posted on 08/15/2015 9:24:59 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Ge0ffrey

Trump=Jeb


40 posted on 08/15/2015 9:28:23 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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