Posted on 08/12/2015 7:28:44 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
I’m for Cruz. But Trump would be his own creature and not the tool of the GOP-e. That makes him more acceptable in my eyes than Jeb Bush.
A bunch of conservatives think the US can be a strong country, both economically and militarily. These are generally very important things to most Americans. If you believe Trump, he is for this. Voila! Popularity among conservatives, liberals, etc., etc.
“Conservative”, a word that has become nothing more than an obligatory campaign slogan to most Republicans. Thank God for Senator Cruz.
It's because of the lack of "social conservatism" that the country is in its dire situation.
A big clue that the answer is “no” is that every Republican running for president enthusiastically supports the unconstitutional socialism of Franklin Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society.
And that’s just for starters.
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“Conservative: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others.” -- Ambrose Bierce, American editorialist
Those terms vary over time. What was conservative (or liberal) in the 17th or 18th or 19th or 20th century may not be conservative (or liberal) today. Sometimes, the term may mean the opposite of what it once did.
If you want to understand what somebody means by conservative or liberal, there's no alternative to looking closely at the things they say they believe in, and not simply taking the label for granted. Start with an understanding of what they actually favor and you can usually work back to what politicians or writers actually mean when they use labels like liberal or conservative.
Speaking of: if you read the article it looks like he's not saying that the GOP Establishment doesn't care about what conservatism is any more.
He's saying that conservative Trump-voting Republicans don't care about conservatism because the positions Donald's taken over time, haven't been that conservative.
He's saying that Trump hasn't been more or isn't necessarily conservative than other candidates who conservatives have left for Trump (or never supported to begin with) -- Bush, Rubio, Perry, or any of the others (except Lindsey Graham, Gilmore, or Pataki whom he doesn't mention).
I thought from the headline this would be a criticism of the GOPe pushing Jeb on us!
As for conservatives’ support for Trump: many see their choice as one between Trump and Bush. They make the logical choice given their assumption.
As the campaign continues conservatives will swing to the more conservative candidates.
That will be interesting with Trump holding the ‘moderates’ support. Very interesting.
If I get your quote, it’s saying that a conservative is someone who accepts (enamored = “be filled with a feeling of love for”) the present evils whereas a “liberal” just wants to replace the present evils with other evils.
Haven’t seen conservative defined like that around here before. But the word “conservative” does imply keeping the status quo, which is why I no longer like calling myself a conservative becasue I hate the status quo.
What’s missing IMO from the dialect and characterization of “conservatism” is the idea of freedom, which idea out country is founded on. “Conservatism” is a political idea that, as you point out, changes with the times. Freedom, however, never changes and as far as I am concerned freedom, not conservatism, is what we should be fighting for.
I have written some specifics on the issues of freedom if you’re interested.
He’s offensive.
http://www.vanityfair.com/magazine/2015/07/donald-ivana-trump-divorce-prenup-marie-brenner
And we all hope Jesse holds his breath until he gets the call LOL!
National Review = Butthurt And Beltway
I like the term “federalism”. All duties not expressly granted to the federal government by the Constitution are handled by the states.
Bierce was a great kidder -- though like most wits he thought he was also telling the truth. Also something of a cynic. He was a lot like his contemporary and fellow Civil War veteran, Mark Twain.
Bierce's Devil's Dictionary contained definitions like "Love: A temporary insanity curable by marriage," and "Logic: The art of thinking and reasoning in strict accordance with the limitations and incapacities of the human misunderstanding," and "Happiness: an agreeable sensation arising from contemplating the misery of another."
Haven’t seen conservative defined like that around here before. But the word “conservative” does imply keeping the status quo, which is why I no longer like calling myself a conservative becasue I hate the status quo.
What’s missing IMO from the dialect and characterization of “conservatism” is the idea of freedom, which idea out country is founded on.
In the 1950s and 1960s, when Goldwater and Buckley were starting the conservative movement, there was much talk about who was really a conservative. There were some who believed what people call RINOs were the real conservatives, because they accepted how things are and didn't want to change things, but Goldwater, Buckley, and Reagan carried the day and defined conservatism largely in terms of individual liberty.
Just what is it Trump has said that offends you?
Please be specific.
LOL...this is rich coming from a stick-my-finger-in-the-wind GOPer.
Oops, should have read further...thought it was about Joe Scareface on MSNBC.
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