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Cecil the lion and some inconvenient truths for North Americans raised on a Disney diet 1
Calgary Sun ^ | 08/02/2015 | Ian Robinson

Posted on 08/02/2015 12:29:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

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To: Tzfat

I don’t know, but Old Yeller was one movie about growing up. Based on a book too. I just hope those PC police don’t go nuts about the fact that it deals with post civil war issues in a formerly confederate state.


81 posted on 08/02/2015 4:22:42 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Palio di Siena

Yeah but Old Yeller is a decent film about how Travis, a teenager grows up in the post civil-war world.


82 posted on 08/02/2015 4:24:18 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: dfwgator

Exactly.


83 posted on 08/02/2015 4:28:57 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: absalom01

“Too bad to see one group of hunters square off against another, though. Once PETA fanatics finish off big-game trophy hunting, they’ll come for our deer rifles and bird guns. Count on it.”

Back when they were talking about changing our state’s laws for to dogs or baiting going after bears or cats, I didn’t agree with that method of hunting, but still voted against the new law. Just before that I met a guy training his dogs on cougars. It was interesting to talk with him about the traditions he grew up with. I’m not sure if I would go on such a hunt now - perhaps. Mute point in my state though - they passed the law.

And I’m sure the Liberals are waiting for the day when they seek a ban on using dogs for pheasant or duck hunting. And why does one need more than one person on a pheasant hunt? It seems so unfair. And you get to use a shell that hold 200 pellets!? Talk about overkill - that is like having 50 assault weapons in one little shell!


84 posted on 08/02/2015 4:30:42 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts It is happening again.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Cursing and quoting the bible in the same post.
Covered quite a bit of ground there.

But to the point.
“The righteous care for the needs of their animals...”

Yes they do.
Especially when caring for the animals needs mean some must be killed.
With wild animals, the most efficient way is hunting.
The permits and fees paid by the hunter are used to manage the animals and their habitat to maintain a healthy animal population.

“but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.”

And so too the kind acts of some righteous.
Is it better to leave the lion to over populate his habitat, which will endanger the survival of *every other* species in the habitat.

When a lion is hungry, it eats.
It eats whatever it can kill.
An overpopulation of lions would severely depress the wildebeest, for example.
At some point, there won’t be enough wildebeests left to keep the species going.
That would be devastating to the local ecology.
Take just *one* animal species out of the picture and the ecological order is upended.
It could mean the collapse of the entire ecological system.

So which is the best stewardship, judicial hunting of all animals or leaving them all to wither and die?

We must always look beyond the point just in front of our own noses to see the big picture in order to provide the best stewardship of the ecology.


85 posted on 08/02/2015 4:45:20 PM PDT by oldvirginian (TED CRUZ, because the Constitution matters.)
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To: faithhopecharity
luring an innocent animal out of his haven to shoot him .

Innocent? Haven? Anthropomorphize much. Baiting is legal, 'Cecil' was just doing what came natural. Along with all the others that came to the bait.

86 posted on 08/02/2015 4:47:22 PM PDT by xone
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To: driftless2
This case doesn't sound like it.

So you condemn the hunter Palmer based on "what it SOUNDS like"......OK, I got it..........

87 posted on 08/02/2015 5:20:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (<i>)
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To: virgil

Really? You think that the liberal toads braying for Dr. Palmer’s scalp are shocked, (shocked!) by the notion that Zimbawe’s game laws might have been breeched? And they are just fine with trophy hunting as long as all of the paperwork was in order? No way. Maybe that’s where you’re at, but it sure isn’t the source of the outrage.

And while we’re at it, just what laws were broken, anyway? And how do we know this? The complaint, in the form of a press release from the Zimbabwe parks and wildlife management authority is that the landowner didn’t actually have a permit for a lion on his land, though the professional guide insisted that all proper permits were in place.

But the interesting thing, at least to me, is that the internet outrage has focused on “baiting” this “iconic” lion out of his protected habitat. Now, having read the press release, I’m convinced that if those things had contravened Zimbabwe’s game laws, those charges would have been added to the complaint. That they have not tells me a couple of things:
1. The internet outrage machine was stoked with a story tweaked and twisted to tug at the heartstrings of urban “animal lovers” and non-hunters and
2. If there WAS a violation, (and that is a long way from being documented) it was related to the landlord’s apparent deception of both the guide and the client.

The lack of interest in finding out the truth is telling. The agenda is clear: stop trophy hunting (under the guise of objecting to poaching). It’s sick PETA nonsense and it’s not going to go without comment here.


88 posted on 08/02/2015 5:36:18 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: Palio di Siena

89 posted on 08/02/2015 5:42:17 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: oldvirginian

Yeah, nothing quite like dropping an F-bomb trying to prove one’s scriptural perspicacity.

I smell a rat.


90 posted on 08/02/2015 5:49:08 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
This article is right on. The senseless wringing of hands over this animal is ridicules.
91 posted on 08/02/2015 5:53:40 PM PDT by ontap
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To: absalom01

Kinda like a Democrat, maybe?


92 posted on 08/02/2015 5:55:31 PM PDT by sport
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To: absalom01; All
A well reasoned post. If you want to fill in the banks, head over to THE ACCURATERELOADING.COM AFRICAN HUNTING FORUM. People who have been there, done that. Firsthand knowledge of the area and people involved.
93 posted on 08/02/2015 5:59:26 PM PDT by kitchen (The people on the left are enemies, not countrymen with different opinions.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

Actually, he’s absolutely correct. Legal hunters protect the population because without it they’d be broke. I had a similar conversation with a safari guide once. He hated poachers as do all real hunters.

This nonsense of attributing human characteristics to animals is insane. They don’t love you, they don’t speak English. As the owner you’re just the food supply.

And yes, I do have an animal living in my house.


94 posted on 08/02/2015 6:00:08 PM PDT by cyclotic ( Check out traillifeusa.com. America's premier boys outdoor organization)
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To: sport

Why, couldn’t have said it better myself.


95 posted on 08/02/2015 6:02:49 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: kitchen

thanks for the link


96 posted on 08/02/2015 6:14:24 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: absalom01

I have known those who would quote scripture all day, then commit adultery at night.

Not much surprises me anymore.


97 posted on 08/02/2015 6:38:19 PM PDT by oldvirginian (TED CRUZ, because the Constitution matters.)
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To: Tzfat

Trophy hunting to put something on your wall to boost your ego is pathetic.

You made the point of the article. Too much Disney. You need a diet of 100% red-blooded American books and movies from now on. Time to man-up.
77 posted on 8/2/2015, 4:18:43 PM by Tzfat

And you need to figure out how weak ego’d men need to prove themselves rather than just being men.


98 posted on 08/02/2015 6:48:29 PM PDT by Pirate Ragnar (Libs put feelings first and thought second.)
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To: Pirate Ragnar

Again with this arbitrary definition of “good hunting” vs. “bad hunting”?

Just because you’ve decided that you don’t like big-game trophy hunting, does not, get this, make it ipso-facto “bad”. It’s just something you don’t like: nothing more, nothing less. My advice, not that you asked for it, is if you don’t like big-game trophy hunting, then, well, don’t go on any big-game hunts. Let someone else save the African large-animal habitat since you so obviously have better things to do.

Your projections of the mind-set of a fellow who can afford an African big-game hunt tell us a lot more about you, than any big game hunters we’ve read about over the past few days. I doubt very much that they spend that kind of money to “prove themselves”: they’ve already done that by excelling in their chosen fields and earning the wherewithall to pay for a license, travel to Africa, pay for the guides etc. etc. etc.

So, your side may well win this one, your PETA allies, animal-rights twits, and Hollywood tree-huggers have a lot more pull than a midwestern Dentist who likes to hunt. Your side controls the MSM narrative, but I promise you you’ll get called out here.


99 posted on 08/02/2015 7:15:16 PM PDT by absalom01 (You should do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, and you should never wish to do less.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

The only person in the universe that tells the truth is you? Or is it that only the people that tell what you want to hear tell the truth?


100 posted on 08/02/2015 7:19:31 PM PDT by sport
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