Donald Trump: Crimea is Europe's problem

CNN ^ | July 31 3015 | Tom LoBianco

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Cooperate with the Russians in sending Islamacists where they want to go. Everyone wins.

Russkies have used Islamic terrorists against Ukrainians, sending them in on tanks and in large numbers. Chechnya is ruled by a Russian puppet named Kadyrov, who is currently establishing Sharia and does so with the blessing of the Kremlin. Russia, of course, also supports Iran's nuclear program, and Russia has also been accused by former KGB/FSB defectors of having intimate ties to Al-Qaueda and worldwide Islamic terrorism in general.

Navy Patriot knows this, but he has a brain injury so he doesn't like to deal with it, instead feeding us this retarded crap about joining forces with Russia against Islam. Maybe Patriot has a thing for totalitarian regimes.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Poland & Latvia (IIRC- don’t quote me on Latvia. It may be someone else. Slovenia or somethin) aren’t in any danger from Russia. Not sure what their deal is about. Drama queens.

You are obviously a stupid person to accuse Poland and Latvia of being "drama queens".

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

The problem is that the Ukrainian government is so corrupt the won’t defend their own people properly

Meanwhile, there are 4 to 5 thousand dead Russkies and they failed to take more than just a sliver of East Ukraine. Screw you, Putinista.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Russians (Orthodox Christian) are natural allies against Islam and, with the possible exception of Israel, the last truly badass country in the world.

Russian Orthodox Christians are a myth. Only around 7 percent of them even go to church. The ROC is an arm of the state and serves propaganda purposes. It's patriarch is a "former" KGB officer who is a millionaire, and the regime there generally uses the ROC to propagate a totalitarian ideology-- hence Russian Orthodox folks marching around with religious icons of Joseph Stalin and Communist flags. Furthermore, as I already explained, Russia is allied with radical Islam.

[Navy Patriot]

Russkies have used Islamic terrorists against Ukrainians, sending them in on tanks and in large numbers.

Indeed they have, and it's a brilliant tactic forcing Islamic terrorists and Neo Nazis coup leftists to kill one another off.

Chechnya is ruled by a Russian puppet named Kadyrov, who is currently establishing Sharia and does so with the blessing of the Kremlin.

Indeed it is, and that is because Russia completely defeated and subjugated Chechnya and it's entire terrorist supporting military after Chechnya's terrorists attacked and destroyed several civilian targets in Russia including the Belsan grade school and murdered hundreds of Russian children.

Russia co-opted Chechnya's military and forced them to hunt and kill their own bretheren terrorists, and any other Islamic terrorists or Nazis as ordered. The only other to so defeat and control Islamic murdering hordes with fear, was Vlad the Impaler. Now Chechnya works for Russia instead of ISIS or the Caliphate. Only a Homofascista would have a problem with this.

Russia, of course, also supports Iran's nuclear program...

But not as much as Obama, Kerry, McCain, Jarrett Hilary, Huma, or the American Socialist DemoRat Party.

Russia has also been accused by former KGB/FSB defectors of having intimate ties to Al-Qaueda and worldwide Islamic terrorism in general.

By defectors seeking to please the Obama regime, the regime that actually DID create and arm ISIS, "Arab Spring", and George Soros' Islamonazi Maiden coup, all endorsed by Greetings_Puny_Humans.

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Indeed it is, and that is because Russia completely defeated and subjugated Chechnya and it's entire terrorist supporting military after Chechnya's terrorists attacked and destroyed several civilian targets in Russia including the Belsan grade school and murdered hundreds of Russian children.

It is highly probable, in fact, that Russia staged its own terrorist attacks in order to go to war with Chechnya which-- at the time-- was more culturally Muslim than religiously so, something like the Kurds or the Tatars in Crimea. Russian FSB agents were caught planting explosives on apartment buildings by local police. This is a good read:

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2012/nov/22/finally-we-know-about-moscow-bombings/

This is probably the reason why Russian state controlled media accuse the 911 terrorist attacks as being American "false flag" terrorist attacks-- because the Russians have done it themselves, and probably knew about Al-Qaeda's plans all along to begin with.

As for all the rest of your BS. You are clearly brainwashed. You have absolutely no clue of anything you are talking about. Neo-Nazi leftists in Ukraine? You are a clown.

[KGeorge]

Good luck with that, G_P_H. I had to review a bit to insure that I wasn’t confusing Svoboda with Right Sector because, as I said, it’s been a few months.
I seem to recall Jewish people mentioned as trying to get out of the way, but I still can’t find any reference to Jewish people involved in the fighting. NVM. I found it. In a Daily Beast article linked on google. There’s a reliable source. /s

You may accuse me of foreignpolicy.com, zerohedge, Unz Review (it appears I deleted my bookmarks I offered to Geron), but I’ve never been to either Daily Paul or Alex Jones. They’re both lunatics. And their followers are worse.
If it’s anti-semites you’re hoping to scrounge. zerohedge & Unz both have their share. They’re all over the internet, like roaches.

You’re asking me to believe that there are neo fascist Jews. Really.? I’ll take you up on that link, please. And look for my links in the meantime. Honestly, are you completely out of your mind?

This is an even bigger flustercuck than I thought.

[KGeorge]

Woops. Sorry if I struck a nerve. I wasn’t aiming, I promise. (Although you do seem a little…enthusiastic)

[Krosan]

This is a bit old, but here is an open letter from Ukrainian Jews to Vladimir Putin basically telling him to F off with his bullshit.

http://maidantranslations.com/2014/03/05/open-letter-of-ukrainian-jews-to-russian-federation-president-vladimir-putin/

Here is a partial list of signatories:

Josef Zisels Chairman of the Association of Jewish Communities and Organizations of Ukraine (VAAD) Ukraine, Executive Vice President of the Congress of National Communities of Ukraine

Alexander Suslensky D.Sc., Vice President of the Jewish Confederation of Ukraine, businessman

Andrei Adamovsky First Vice President of the Jewish Confederation of Ukraine, member of the “Hillel” Jewish Student organization Observation Council (citizen of Russia)

Evgen Chervonenko Vice President of the European Jewish Congress, businessman

Rabbi Alex Dukhovny Head Rabbi of the Ukrainian Progressive Judaism communities

Rabbi Reuven Stamov Head Rabbi of the Ukrainian Traditional Judaism communities

Alexander Paskhaver Member of the VAAD Ukraine Coordation Council, economist

Leonid Finberg Director of the NaUKMA Center for the Studies of History and Culture of Eastern European Jewry, VAAD Ukraine Vice Chairman

Anatoliy Podolsky Director of the Ukrainian Center for Holocaust Studies, Vice Chairman of VAAD Ukraine

Igor Kuperberg Chairman of the Zionist Federation of Ukraine, Vice Chairman of VAAD Ukraine

Semen Belman Vice President of the Jewish Council of Ukraine, President of the Chernigiv Jewish Community

Alexander Gaidar Leader of the Union of Ukrainian Progressive Judaism Religious Communities

Vyacheslav Likhachev CNCU Chief expert in monitoring and analysing xenophobia and anti-Semitism, member of the VAAD Ukraine Coordination Council(citizen of Russia and Israel)

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

I seem to recall Jewish people mentioned as trying to get out of the way, but I still can’t find any reference

Considering your obnoxious response, it's because you are a worthless Putinista who isn't trying very hard, or maybe you are a liar. Here's a taste for you to begin or not begin your investigations:

Here are some of those Right-Sector "Nazis", according to Russian media:

“Chief of communications Right Sector Boris Blaher AKA Borislav Bereza”.

Battallion Commander Nathan Chazin of Right Sector, this battalion is all Jewish if memory serves:

A Joint charity concert of Right Sector and Jewish Community in Odessa to help battalions:

This one is not of a Right Sector group, but of a notable looking soldier in another Jewish battalion:

Here is a link talking about this man, as well as Israeli veterans training Ukrainian troops:

http://ukrainianjewishencounter.org/en/media1/media-kit/latest-news/367-israeli-training-ukrainian-forces

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

You’re asking me to believe that there are neo fascist Jews. Really.?

Apparently you are the idiot who thought so. A reasonable person would conclude that accusations of Ukraine being run by "anti-semites" and "neo-Nazis" were lies. We ARE talking about Russia, which itself is an empire of lies.

It's almost like the cold war never happened and you fools were born yesterday.

[KGeorge]

Thank you, Krosan. I appreciate your more rational tone. Truly.

I understand that your loyalties are where they are. The fact is that the consensus is that Svoboda is ‘’bad’’ & Right Sector is ‘’worse’’. That’s discounting leftists & discounting fruitcakes (assuming there’s a difference). What do you expect people to believe?

In the second place, the demographics of Ukraine are 17. something percent ethnic Russians & .4 percent Jewish- so a significant minority is trying to take over Ukraine? Do you expect the average observer to think this is rational, too?

The odds of convincing people that Right Sector’s actions are justified & correct aren’t very good. Y’all want to drag the US into this to try & force Ukraine to award dominance to .4 percent of the population? Really? That’s not even taking the rest of Ukraine into account. All because you hate Putin?

[KGeorge]

You attacked me, repeatedly & I wasn’t even addressing you. I can see why you have problems getting along.

[Krosan]

Svoboda has 7 seats in 450 seat Ukrainian parliament and Right Sector has 1, so combined they have 1.8% of the seats. Why do you even make these marginal parties a central topic?

” so a significant minority is trying to take over Ukraine? “
“ force Ukraine to award dominance to .4 percent of the population? Really? “

I don’t understand where you are going with this. JewNazis want to rule Ukraine and Putin must invade to save the Ukrainians?

What is happening is that Vladimir Putin with the might of Russia behind him is trying to take over and dominate Ukraine.

[KGeorge]

Here is one of the links. It’s a journalist based in Krakow, Poland. There are a number of article about the situation.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/staff/marcin-mamon/

The other is new something or news something. It was a foreign policy kind of deal IIRC, but I’ve apparently deleted it or lost it. I’ll keep looking.

[Enlightened1]

Amen!

[Krosan]

The Intercept is a far left rag and your buddy Marcin Mamon is a Russian propagandist, who among other things writes to russia-insider - a place for extreme Russian propaganda too stupid for their already stupid target group. To help you gauge the level then among other ridiculous things russia-insider has recently defended the old discredited fake claiming that Soviets did not murder the Poles in Katyn.

[KGeorge]

Not exactly, or even kind of, but I can see why you’re asking.

I know that’s what Putin is alleged to be doing. Doesn’t this have to do with Ukraine electing one person & that person being somehow overthrown & another person (allegedly) installed whom the people didn’t want & at that, TSHTF? And somehow, the port (I forget the name of it but it’s well known- on the Black Sea), which Russia had an agreement to use, was somehow jeopardized, so Putin took control of it. (Did he shut Ukraine out? Do I have this right?) I thought he was just in there to back up the ethnic Russians & stop the fighting.

Look. Ukraine has had turmoil for a while. There was some kind of deal with Tymoshenko (I probably misspelled that. Sorry)- anyway, the lady, years ago. Y’all know your region better than anyone. And y’all can work out whatever is going on better- more effectively, than bringing outsiders into it. History hasn’t been kind to interventions, ever. There are bound to be ways to work with or around Putin without having a world war- which is the risk if the ‘’big boys’’ get mixed up in it. This will hurt *everyone*. Plus, we’ve got a real mess here. Y’all apparently have a mess there. Which, I think, is Trumps actual point, without saying it.

You seem like a pretty reasonable person, Krosan. Your friend is a little hot headed. Slavs are hot headed. I know. I’m married to one. That’s not an insult.

Outsiders can only judge by the information that’s out there, using discretion as much as possible. You probably don’t know I’m female. I probably should have kept my mouth shut. Stop killing each other & sort this out. It won’t matter if you’re all dead.

Sorry to perplex you or whatever. I have known a lot of Jewish people in my life- in school & in the building industry. I’m sure they weren’t all liberals (I honestly don’t know), but I have never known an aggressive Jew in my life (lol well, maybe Yehuda- but he misunderstood me) & to use ‘’far right’’ or ‘’neo nazi’’ in the same sentence with Jewish- my head nearly exploded. Right Sector- Jewish- WHAT?! This just does not compute.

[WilliamIII]

This is how Russia and Ukraine figuring it out themselves looks like.

It’s also what China’s treatment of its neighbor Tibet looks like. Should we also make that our business, and go to war with China?

[WilliamIII]

What is happening is that Vladimir Putin with the might of Russia behind him is trying to take over and dominate Ukraine.

Even if that’s so, it’s no different than what China is doing to Tibet — and continuously threatens to do, to Taiwan. Are we supposed to go to war with China? Or, with a double standard, is Russia the only country you want us to go to war against? If we need to get involved in every case of injustice around the world, there won’t be any money left in you pocket after you’ve paid all the taxes that it will cost.